Talk:Shah Nawaz Bhutto

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at one place khuda bux has been mentioned as father of sir shah nawaz and at other place khuda bux is mentioned as his grand father. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.134.139.212 (talk) 15:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Identity of father?
The article identifies Shah Nawaz Bhutto's father as Khuda Bux. However, this poorly-worded and unclear text, which I have removed from the article but reproduced below, identifies his father as Sardar Murtaza Bhutto, grandson of Khuda Bux (making Shah Nawaz Bhutto the great-grandson of Khuda Bux).

Which of these accounts is true?


 * Name of the Sir Shah Nawaz's father was Sardar Murtaza Bhutto, in whose name a house in Larkana named Al-Murtaza was built. Sardar Murtaza Bhutto was grandson of Khuda Bux Bhutto who owned all the lands of village Garhi Khuda Bux. Khuda Bux's elder brother was Peer Bux, in whose name is village called Garhi Peer Bux. Peer Bux was the great-grand-father of Sardar Mumtaz Bhutto, talented cousin of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.


 * I didn't insert anything; I removed one of two contradictory statements and reproduced it below. I may well have removed the wrong one, but I didn't insert anything. --Saforrest (talk) 00:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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Watch 'Daughter of power' video on youtube and Stop saying Bhutto are not Arains
Bold text In 'daughter of power' video Benazir Bhutto herself tells that her family belong to Arab who attacked on sind with Muhammad Bin Qasim in 712 AD.Is there any Rajpoot who came with Muhammad bin Qasim.NO Not at all.There are Arain who claim that they came with Muhammad Bin Qasim in 712 AD.The most of Lahores are from Arain Caste and 100 percent of them Claim they came with Muhammad Bin Qasim. Ask Arain family of Baghbanpura there fore fathers were part of Muhammad Bin Qasim army in 712 AD

Re: Daughter of Power
Actually, in her autobiography, Daughter of the East, Benazir claimed that her ancestors were either soldiers who accompanied the Arabs who conquered Sindh in 712 AD, or Rajput converts to Islam – moreover, plenty of credible and scholarly sources have been cited in this discussion, that point to the Rajput origins of the Bhuttos, and plenty more exist that directly quote Benazir, and her father Zulfikar, referring to themselves as Rajputs. As for the documentary, Daughter of Power (which I have watched), exactly how does Benazir claiming Arab ancestry, prove that she is an Arain? There may well be Arains who assert that their ancestors accompanied the forces of Muhammad bin Qasim, but not a single shred of evidence exists to support such claims (and the Arain family of Baghbanpura, hardly constitutes a reliable authority). Above all, if you refer to the article, it is patently clear that during the era of the British Raj, Arains readily admitted to their Hindu origins, further proving that the claim to Arab ancestry is a relatively recent innovation, which gained ground when the social status of this community was enhanced.

DISCONTINUE FROM PERSISTENTLY PROMOTING THE FALLACY THAT BHUTTOS ARE ARAINS==

It beggars belief that there are still those who persist with the entirely false claim that the Bhuttos are Arains (and at the very least, when this is such a point of contention, trying to pass off such fanciful claims as fact, is highly problematic); the following is being re-quoted from a previous discussion dealing with this issue:

“...Benazir Bhutto herself, categorically stated in her autobiography that she is descended from Rajputs, and her biographer and close friend, Shyam Bhatia went on record to state that Benazir took pride in her Rajput ancestry. Here, I’ll even reproduce the exact quote:

"But Pinky always took pride in her Rajput ancestry and said it was only during war that India and Pakistan hated each other. But in peace, they liked each other."

See: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/rssarticleshow/msid-3061556,prtpage-1.cms

"Two main Rajput tribes of Sind are: the Samma, a branch of the Yadav Rajputs who inhabit the eastern and lower Sind and Bahawalpur; and the Sumra who, according to the 1907 edition of the Gazetteer are a branch of the Parwar Rajputs. Among others are the Bhattis, Lakha, Sahetas, Lohanas, Mohano, Dahars, Indhar, Chachar, Dhareja, Rathors, Dakhan, Langah etc."

http://ppiusindh.org/hyderabad-sindh-district-of-sindh-pakistan.html

"Bhutto: Perhaps the most famous of the Sindh Rajputs, they are a clan of the Bhatti Rajputs, and as such are Chandravanshi. They are found in Larkana District, in a cluster of villages such as Mirpur Bhutto and Salar Bhutto north of Larkana city."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_Rajputs

Refer also to the following article:

“The Bhutto clan is rajput, a word of Hindu origin, a hereditary warrior caste which dominates both Indian and Pakistani armies to this day.”

http://blai.newsvine.com/_news/2007/12/30/1193585-shah-nawaz-the-legacy-of-the-bhuttos?groupId=84

www.globalsecurity.org also carries an article on the Bhutto tribe. The following extract, is taken from this article:

“The Bhutto family traces its migration from Jaiselmere in India to Sindh to Setho Khan Bhutto in the fifteenth century AD. The Bhutto family migrated to Sindh during the reign of Mughuls when Kalhoras were ruling in Sindh under the suzerainty of Mughul Emperors. They settled and established themselves in Taluka Ratodero, District Larkana and owned vast tracts of fertile land in the District of Larkana, Jacobabad and Shikarpur. Where rice, cotton and sugarcane was produced in plant. By some accounts the Bhutto family was the biggest and wealthiest landlord in Sindh and their style of living and conducting themselves was totally different from rest of their class in Sindh; they could face any situation any adversary and dignity, and unlike many other landlords they finally believed in pomp, pageantry, dignity and authority.”

“These Rajput converts probably became Muslims in the 18th century. Doda Khan Bhutto headed of the family during the Talpur Dynasty, and then during Charles Napier's rule of Sindh. Doda Khan Bhutto worked to acquire large tracts of land, and was responsible for the vast land ownership of the Bhutto family. By one account Doda Khan Bhutto was described by the British as "the best and most enterprising zamindar in the whole of sindh".

Even the Encyclopædia Britannica, opens its entry on Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, with the words:

"Born into a noble Rājpūt family that had accepted Islām, Bhutto was the son of a prominent political figure in the Indian colonial government."

See: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/64265/Zulfikar-Ali-Bhutto —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gill Jat (talk • contribs) 00:55, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Finally, the renowned historian, Stanley Wolpert, also underlined the Rajput origins of the Bhutto tribe, in his biography of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, namely, Zulfi Bhutto of Pakistan:

“Zulfi’s paternal ancestors had before his clan’s long trek been Hindu Rajputs...”

http://books.google.com/books?ei=EjQZTIPUMY_64AaJtJ3-Cw&ct=result&id=C-ltAAAAMAAJ&dq=zulfi+bhutto+of+pakistan&q=rajputs#search_anchor

“... and many Rajput warriors, like Zulfi’s progenitor, Sheto converted to Islam...”

http://books.google.com/books?ei=EjQZTIPUMY_64AaJtJ3-Cw&ct=result&id=C-ltAAAAMAAJ&dq=zulfi+bhutto+of+pakistan&q=rajput#search_ancho

Thus please stop regurgitating the same myths and half-truths that are continuously being peddled, and make a mockery of what is supposed to be an encyclopaedic entry.

(Taken from the discussion page, relating to the Wikipedia article on the Arain tribe) Gill Jat (talk) 21:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Arain or Rajput; Answer = Rajput confusion cleared
The question remains... what was Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto doing presiding over All India Arain Convention, when he infact was a Rajput? Either he had severe identity crisis, or he was pretending to be an Arain at that time for god knows what reason.. or he was, in fact, an Arain. Naumanz 22:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naumanz (talk • contribs)

Furnish credible proof regarding the All India Arain Convention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.187.254 (talk) 02:13, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

'''This is a myth which has spread through the Arain community like wilfire. The reason or cause of all this confusion and debate is actually quite simple. After researching the name Sir Shah Nawaz I found a Punjabi Arain politician belonging to the powerful Mian Family of Baghbanpura by the name Mian Sir Muhammad Shah Nawaz. Now Mian Sir Muhammad Shah Nawaz lived in the same time period as Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto and probably from what I could find did chair the All India Arain Convention of 1905.''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nawabmalhi (talk • contribs) 00:16, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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