Talk:Shahaji

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I've moved the following here from the Shivaji page. If any of it isn't in this article, it could be merged. -- Danny Yee 11:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Before Bijapur, Shahaji had been a jagirdar of the Nizam of Ahmednagar. Malik Amber, the Vazir, or chief minister, of Ahmednagar did his best to fight out the Mughals. After his death, Shahaji took his place. From 1633 to 1636 he established a regime with a puppet nizamshahi minor as its nominal head. He was defeated by the Mughal emperor Shah Jahan.

It is good idea.I am submitting a bit more information -- Shahaji was patron of art .He promoted Sanskrit and also other langauges.'Radhamadhav vilas', a poetry was written by his court poet,Jayaram Pindye.Shahaji's influence in this regard is very clear.One branch is represented by Shivaji and his son Sambhaji.Shivaji was a great scholar and had named his many forts in Sanskrit like Suvarn durg, Vijaya durg,Prachand garh.Shivaji' royal seal is in sanskrit .His son Sambhaji was himself a scholar and had written certain verses in Sanskrit. Unfortunately his son ,Shahu spent childhood in mughal captivity and as a result could not continue this tradition.ll give better perspective. But other branch represented by Vankyoji, at Tanjavar continued it .Its detailed information is availble at Sarasvati Mahal Library .Tanjavar and also on its website.Perhaps Indian history or rather in world history , only few families have got such long tradition of creativity in the field of classical literature.One can verify this.

Friction between Jadhav and Bhosales
Let me add certain inputs.Maratha clans are notoriously known for mutual jealousy and infighting, a typical character of any feudal society on this earth.Maloji's wife was from Nimbalkar(Pawar), an ancient royal family.But one will notice friction between Nimbalkar and Bhosale.Sambhaji's wife was from Shirke, another ancient royal family who had defeated Bahamani rulers long back in 14th century.But same family had grudge against Sambhaji and were instrumental in his downfall.So was the clash between Bhosale and their cousins,Ghorpade.Shirke and Morey ,Rashtrakuta and Chalukyas are such classical examples.Even Shivaji's descendents had fought against each other .So there is nothing as such special about clash between Jadhavs and Bhosales.Many historians who are not well acquainted with marathas are caught over by ignorance.This fact shall be brone in mind. Rather Jadunath Sarkar, a noted historian has rightly said that Marathas were scattered like 'atoms'.It was genius of Shivaji who could weld such volatile warriors .That is why even today he is adored.

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There is no proper proof to prove ---
'''Maratha clans are notoriously known for mutual jealousy and infighting, a typical character of any feudal society on this earth. Maloji's wife was from Nimbalkar(Pawar), an ancient royal family.'''

It's clear and known to the historians that there was no oppose from Nimbalkars to any of the Maratha clans. Nimbalkars do hold respect long back from the era of the 1275 AD. As such It was the period of the Shahaji Maharaj when we can see that fights between Shahis and not in the Maratha Clans.

Clear picture can be proved from many instance. How come a big force of Afzal Khan defeated within a day? How come Sambhaji escaped from Dilerkhan?

Battles recorded prove that the fights were there only when the Muslims were involved.

Maratha's with Sultanji Nimbalkar and Family played politics in the period of the Gaikwads and Shindes and Bhosles. Prataprao RajeNimbalkar was the person who settled Bhosale of Nagpur. Sultanji (Chandrakant) RajeNimbalkar once General of Shahu took side of the Nizam and played the politics to have Mungi Shevgaon Treaty. He took with him Dabhade's and Jadhav to Nizam to oppose the Brahmin peshwa's diplomacy and politics. Finally the output of the Mungi-Shevgaon treaty is that the Khandesh and Malwa was in control of the Maratha's.

Generations are going on we have fights in brothers, and not in the relations. There is no history proof for the comment described above.

The History is written by brahmins so that is not correct.

'''Shivaji's decedants fought - this is studious subject. You can do a PhD on this because Shivaji's only family got surrounded by the Brahmins and they finished that Family. No other family was surrounded by Brahmins so they have their family bloods running continuously.'''

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.80.57.2 (talk) 11:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Needs citations
This article is woefully short of good secondary reference material. Marathi_Mulgaa (talk) 09:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Shahaji and Rajput origin
From James Mill, ( 1817 ), THE HISTORY OF BRITISH INDIA. BY JAMES MILL, ESQ., London , Baldwin, Cradock and Joy, Paternoster Row , p. 606

"Malojee was the son of Bauga Bonsla, a son of the Rana of Odipoor, by a woman of an inferior caste. The degradation of Bauga Bonsla, from the impurity and baseness of his birth, drove him to seek, among strangers, that respect which he was denied at home. He served during a part of his life a Rajah, possessing a Zemindaree in the province of Candesh; and afterwards purchased for himself a Zemindaree in the neighbourhood of Poonah, where he resided till his death. His son Malojee entered the service of a Mah- ratta chief, in which he acquired so much distinction as to obtain the daughter of his master in marriage for his son. This son was Shajee, and Sevagee was the fruit of the marriage. But Shajee, having quarrelled with his father-in-law, re- paired to the King of Beejapore, and received an establishment in Carnatic. He here joined the Polygar of Mudkul in a war upon the Rajah of Tanjore; and having defeated the Rajah, the victors quarrelled about the division of the territory. Shajee defeated the Polygar, took possession of both Mudkul and Tanjore; and, having married another wife, by whom he had a son named Ekojee, he left him and his posterity Rajahs of Tanjore, till they sunk into dependants of the East India Company.*"Jonathansammy (talk) 22:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)