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On RuPaul's Drag Race, all queen personas are referred to with feminine pronouns, which is the norm. Pronouns generally always match gender presentation unless specified otherwise. RuPaul's name, in contrast, applies to RuPaul both when she is in drag and when he is dressed in men's clothing; therefore, "RuPaul" isn't used strictly for a feminine persona. If one watches the show, or reads most news articles (non-open source) about the queens on the show, one will find that feminine pronouns are used when referring to feminine drag personas. Masculine pronouns are appropriate for the performers when out of drag, of course. It's really important that we get this right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajl724 (talk • contribs) 03:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The article as a whole is about Pierce, a real human. On Wikipedia, male humans are referred to as "he", just as RuPaul Andre Charles is referred to as "he". That's how it's done on Wikipedia, and you need a consensus here to make an exception. You don't make such decisions unilaterally just because you don't like how it's usually done. If you want to create separate articles for Pierce and his personas so that you can refer to the personas with feminine pronouns, then do so. But if an article is about a real male human, the usual Wikipedia conventions about pronouns apply. Cresix (talk) 03:58, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cressix is right. I recently initiated a discussion on the pronouns used in Carmen Carrera's article. They were changed to feminine after she announced on an ABC News news program that she was now a transgender woman. As a result, even the category female impersonator was remove. RuPaul's article uses male pronouns because he has always identified himself as a male. Unless a public declaration is made with regards to gender identity (gender dysphoria) or gender reassignment surgery (such as Chaz Bono, Candis Cayne, and Amanda Lepore) than male pronouns will be used in this article. Pierce's birth certificate, driver's license, and passport all identify him as male and to change gender on those documents he would have to file a legal motion with the courts. By the way here is an article on singer Tom Gable who announced she is a transgender female and will begin gender reassignment surger. [1]. Notice how the author uses female pronouns only after Gable made his public announcement.--XLR8TION (talk) 13:23, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I know this comment is years later but it still seems confusing to me - and I am not talking about debating referring to someone by the pronouns they prefer, etc. I just think that the paragraphs where the article speaks about Pierce, specifically (and they are limited) should use he, if Pierce is a gay man. (If he/they are nonbinary, then use the preferred pronoun). Shangela is Pierce's performing persona, and anywhere Shangela is mentioned - which is most of the article - would of course use the she/her pronoun. This seems to be the most accurate approach? 2603:8001:2A00:7428:39CA:4180:90B2:4FD4 (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move page to "Shangela"?[edit]

Should this page be moved to Shangela, per COMMONNAME? If you look at the references, even just the titles, she is mostly referred to as simply "Shangela". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:58, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well you do see sources, even recent ones, making use of her full name:

D Magazine (Oct 16, 2018) "Even if you’ve never heard the name D.J. Pierce, you’ve likely seen his Glamazon alter-ego Shangela LaQuifa Wadley onscreen as a recurring competitor on RuPaul’s Drag Race."
Cosmopolitan (Oct 5, 2018) "But do you know that Shangela Laquifa Wadley—AKA D.J. Pierce, one of the breakout alums of RuPaul's Drag Race—steals the spotlight in the film's first chapter"
them. (Mar 16, 2018) Because in that case, Miss Shangela Laquifa Wadley — the three-time challenge winning, halleloo-yelling, Game of Thrones-quoting Shangela — was robbed.
NBC(https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/drag-race-star-shangela-shines-star-born-n917266) (Oct 5, 2018) "Shangela Laquifa Wadley poses at the premiere of the film 'A Star Is Born' in London on Sept. 27, 2018"
Time (Oct 12, 2018) "Among fans of the hit series Rupaul’s Drag Race ,D.J. Pierce—known to most as Shangela Laquifa Wadley—is already a superstar"

I don't have a strong opinion either way so long as the article's lead mentions both the full name and the fact she's also known mononymously. Umimmak (talk) 16:44, 5 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but I feel like we could easily create an even longer list of sources using just "Shangela". ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:10, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And ditto Katya Zamolodchikova vs just "Katya" -- do you propose that get moved as well? Umimmak (talk) 23:09, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Katya is a very common name with many other uses. Dekimasuよ! 21:42, 29 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 December 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 15:46, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shangela Laquifa Wadley → Shangela – This individual is referred to as simply "Shangela", on RuPaul's Drag Race, in secondary coverage more often than "Shangela Laquifa Wadley", and in her IMDb entry. If there were multiple "Shangela" articles, I'd understand keeping "Laquifa Wadley" as a natural disambiguation, but since there's just one Shangela (as far as I know), disambiguation is not necessary. --Another Believer _(Talk) 22:57, 22 December 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 12:42, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support known as Shangela across social media, the TV show that made her famous, and in movie credits. It's also concise without being unclear. Hekerui (talk) 13:25, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Name[edit]

Most articles that say NAME (born NAME) like this article usually mean that the article is referring to a person who has legally changed their name. Shangela has not changed her name, she has adopted a stage name, it is hard to understand that by first looking at this article. 2A02:C7E:3526:BA00:E593:AF54:7C3D:31D8 (talk) 19:26, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]