Talk:Sherman Oaks Center for Enriched Studies

Reseda or Tarzana?
There seems to be some confusion concerning whether the school is considered part of Reseda or Tarzana. As far as I know, it was considered part of Reseda up until last year, when it was changed to Tarzana. Am I wrong? Trumpetboy8282 05:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Reseda/Tarzana
According to the school website, the address says that it is in Tarzana. Before this, it was Reseda. So I think that we should go with Tarzana, because that is the correct city it is in. And actually, it wasn't a year ago that it was changed. I remember volunteering in the Main Office and all the envelopes said Tarzana, CA on them. This was back in 2003, so it's been a while now.

--Andie 01:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Non-notable alums
Readded here. They don't have wikipedia articles, and one of them is identified as a "model student." Is this what we've come to?

Comprehensive list of every random club at the school
Reinserted here. This is pure trivia. If we're going to list clubs at schools, we ought to have independent secondary sources showing that the clubs are interesting to anyone but their members and the admissions officer.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:14, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Should Mr. Zilberbrand be listed amongst the notable alums?
Copied here from User Talk:Pizzazboy.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:24, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Usually alums have to have a Wikipedia article before they're considered notable.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:10, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, Merrian-Webster defines "notable" as "remarkable; worth noticing; very successful". For some people, Mr. Zilberbrand has all 3 of these quealities, to others he has only 2, to others he has only 1, and to a select few he has not one. The same dictionary defines "alumnus" as "someone who was a student at a particular school". The reasoning for Mr. Zilberbrand being a alumnus is much simpler than the reasoning for being "notable". I am sure you can figure it out by now that Mr. Zilberbrand was, in fact, a student at this particular school! Thank you for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pizzazboy (talk • contribs) 04:17, 27 March 2014‎


 * Well, Wikipedia defines "notable" as "the quality of being able to have an article" on Wikipedia. See WP:N.  So write an article on the guy and then you can list him.  Also, this should be on the article talk page.  Thank you for your time!&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:24, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I can find no indication at all that this person passes any of the notability standards required before he could be included in the alumni list. At the moment, his inclusion also violates Wikipedia policy relating to biographical information relating to living persons because no reliable source has been supplied to verify any of the assertions about him. So this listing has to come out until suitable reliable sources are supplied. See WP:NLIST and Your alma mater is not your ticket to Wikipedia.
 * The same concern applies to William Potter. At least here an IMDb page has been supplied, but by long-standing consensus, an IMDb listing is not sufficient to establsh notability. --Arxiloxos (talk) 05:20, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
 * If Wikipedia defines notable as "the quality of being able to have an article", what is the problem? I have no article written about me so there is no problem. WP:NNC explicitly states that notability guidelines are not applicable to text within the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pizzazboy (talk • contribs) 05:25, 27 March 2014‎


 * But the IMDb page doesn't seem to say that Potter went to this school. Am I missing something because of browser settings or what?&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 05:29, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Potter did go to this school, he graduated 2 years ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pizzazboy (talk • contribs) 02:40, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Per WP:BLP this has to be verifiable in a reliable source, which has not been offered. And no sufficient indication of his notability has been offered either. --Arxiloxos (talk) 03:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

encyclopedic achievements
The school article guidelines state that the only achievements we discuss are the "ultimate" achievement in the field of competition. Since winning the miniurban whatzit sent the robotics team to another competition, obviously that was not the ultimate achievement. If a win occurs at the thingie in May, you are welcome to add it with an appropriate reference at that time, assuming your rd it warring hasn't gotten the article protected before that. John from Idegon (talk) 06:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)


 * You have not included a link to the "school article guidelines" so that your claims can be verified. I have in fact searched the [] which I assume you are referring to and am unable to find "The school article guidelines state that the only achievements we discuss are the "ultimate" achievement in the field of competition." I am legitimately trying to verify your claim that such a Wikipedia policy exists and that the posting was inappropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2002:4CAB:4D6F:0:4904:2915:90B4:BFEF (talk) 07:10, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It is under extracurricular activities. Please sign your posts. John from Idegon (talk) 07:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Characterizing a victory in this competition as a national championship is ludicrous. According to the reference provided, the competition is limited to the first 20 team's per region that sign up (not are invited, mind you, but choose to participate). There are five regions. That means at most 100 schools participated. There is nothing saying all the region's filled up, and your school fielded two teams. How many other schools did the same? At best, your school is better than 98 others. Compare that to the notable FIRST competitions, which have over 3000 schools participating. Congratulations on winning the contest, but it still isn't an encyclopedic achievement. You are encouraged to add copy about having a robotics team with references, and it isn't even a problem that you mention participation in this non notable competition sponsored by the Air Force and the Doolittle Foundation.  Just do not characterize it as a national championship. It isn't. John from Idegon (talk) 05:01, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Recent edits 10/5/2016
Copied from User talk:John from Idegon John from Idegon (talk) 20:49, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Excuse me sir I currently attend SOCES and I think I would know the clubs that are here. Tf why you even editing it. Are you an alumni? Username8901234567 (talk) 19:58, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you are talking about. Please provide a link or at least the correct title of the article in question. John from Idegon (talk) 20:04, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Oaks_Center_for_Enriched_Studie

Um here's the link to the website. It shows that you deleted all the clubs and organizations so I added them again. Username8901234567 (talk) 20:08, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok. Now i know what you are talking about. You have a very mistaken impression of what Wikipedia is. The page on Sherman Oaks Center for Enriched Studies is an independent encyclopedia article about the school. It is not the property of the school; in no way is it for the school and there are no requirements for someone to edit it. As a matter of fact,, it is preferred that editors not have any connections to the subjects of the articles they edit. See WP:COI. I gave a sound reason for removing the content I removed in the edit summary when I removed it. If you disagree that's fine. Putting it back without a concensus to do so is not. Make arguements based in reliable independent sources and informed by Wikipedia policy and guidelines at Talk:Sherman Oaks Center for Enriched Studies and see if you can garner a concensus for inclusion.  Talk to you there.  John from Idegon (talk) 20:25, 5 October 2016 (UTC)