Talk:Shoeless Joe Jackson

Refence to 'The Natural'
On the main page it states that Roy Hobbs is offered a bribe in the book, but not in the film. Having just watched the film again he is offered a bribe. There is a scene in which he returns the money $15,000.PeterM88 (talk) 19:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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"Not including Jackson"?
Are you sure Jackson was not included in the ban? This article says otherwise: http://www.shoelessjoejackson.com/about/biography.html 67.45.113.113 (talk) 20:36, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, of course he was included. He may have meant to say "7 players other than Jackson" -- but that was only one of many poor choices (including section blanking) in those recent edits. I have restored an earlier version.  DoctorJoeE  review transgressions/ talk to me!  22:13, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Burial
I just made an edit about Jackson being buried at Woodlawn Memorial Park in Greenville, S.C. I think most readers will make the correct assumption; however, since Woodlawn Memorial Park Cemetery in Nashville, TN, is a very well-known cemetery where dozens of famous people are buried, I thought it would be helpful to make the distinction. Pistongrinder (talk) 15:03, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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Nickname
The second paragraph of the Nickname section contains information which is clearly relevant. However, it contains a lot of unrelated information, contradicts the first paragraph (which is well-sourced and clearly written), and I was unable to find any source matching its one citation. What is the rationale for keeping the second paragraph? Perhaps the directly relevant parts of the second paragraph could be properly sourced and then incorporated into the first? KnaveofHearts (talk) 05:16, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

No longer third best. Major Leagues now recognize Josh Gibson. Shoeless Joe is now fourth best.
As of this year, Major a league baseball recognizes the stats of the Negro Leagues. This moves Josh Gibson ahead of Rogers Hornsby and Joe Jackson, but behind Ty Cobb.

https://www.mlb.com/news/how-negro-leagues-stats-may-change-baseball-leaderboards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fielding99 (talk • contribs) 05:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Header
This is way too long. Wow. Someone PLEASE shorten it and move the material below. Republicanblake (talk) 06:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I tried to cut a bit from the lead section. Larry Hockett (Talk) 07:01, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Cleveland Indians Hall of Fame vs. Cleveland Guardians Hall of Fame.
Jackson was inducted when the team was known as the Indians. Doesn't matter if the team was renamed. Therefore he is a member of the Indians Hall of Fame, since no new members were inducted as Guardians All members were inducted as Indians. Brotherbenz (talk) 16:33, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Finally, the talk page, welcome! It is certainly true Shoeless Joe Jackson was inducted into the Cleveland Indians Hall of Fame in 1951 as part of the inaugural class.  I doubt anyone here would dispute that.  I do find it odd that this is not mentioned in the prose of the article, because it really should be.  The Infobox is a different matter, however. This is a snapshot of Jackson's honors and achievements, and he is not in the Cleveland Indians Hall of Fame because it no longer exists.  When the team changed its name to the Guardians, the Indians Hall of Fame changed its name too.  Shoeless Joe Jackson is a member of the Cleveland Guardians Hall of Fame, it says so right on the website. He is not in the Cleveland Indians Hall of Fame by virtue of it no longer existing.  This is not an issue that just affects the Guardians.  Currently, it does not look like any Dodgers have their team Hall of Fame achievements recorded in their infobox, but they started their Hall of Fame in Brooklyn in the 1940s, but would still be properly characterized as being in the Los Angeles Dodgers Hall of Fame today.  I realize a nickname change and a relocation are not exactly 1:1, but the issue is similar.  Anyway, when the Indians changed their name, the relevant institution names were also updated across Wikipedia.  To change it back in the infobox would be to introduce a factual inaccuracy.  That said, the induction absolutely should be mentioned in the prose; and in that instance it should be under the name at the time as a historical event.  I will go ahead and add that.  I will not change the infobox again until we see how a consensus shakes out. Indrian (talk) 16:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As someone who has worked for the Indians/Guardians organization tis true that the name change does reflect what the current institution is called. But at the ballpark it is still the Indians Hall of Fame, they are not going to change any of the members to Guardians in it only if they are added into it and requested to be inducted as a Guardian not a Indian. They even said this year at our welcome back party, anything historically Indians (HOF, statues, bricks) at the ballpark will not be changed. I will not change the box either. Brotherbenz (talk) 16:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I am sure what you say is true, but we would need sourcing to that effect, not just your word on it. If there are reliable sources indicating they are still considered members of the "Indians Hall of Fame" and are not considered members of the "Guardians Hall of Game" then that is relevant to the discussion.  The only thing we have right now, is the official team website, which does indicate they are in the Guardians Hall of Fame.  I am not making the claim theese players are suddenly no longer Indians, nor would I erase that name from history, I am not on some kind of PC crusade.  This is entirely about accuracy to me.  I did add a paragraph to the text describing his induction into the Hall of Fame, where I call it the Indians Hall of Fame because that is accurate in that context. Indrian (talk) 17:01, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That's the hard part of finding sourcing, because even on the teams website it says Guardians I heard it at the back to season training we had prior to the season starting. I will see if I can find some sourcing. The legacy article looks good. Brotherbenz (talk) 17:08, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * So it looks like this conversation is not attracting a lot of attention. I propose that now that we have a prose section discussing his election to the Indians Hall of Fame, we change the infobox back to Guardians to reflect the current honor as it appears in reliable sources and to keep it consistent with other articles.  To me, this seems like a decent compromise between our positions.  Of course we can always revisit if new sources come to light.  How does that sound? Indrian (talk) 15:34, 17 October 2022 (UTC)