Talk:Shoni Schimmel

Nationality
Just want to put a note here that there has been a rise lately in new user accounts changing the " nationality" field of the infobox from "American" to "Native American" (or similar). Nationality really applies to country of citizenship, while Native American (like African-American or Italian American) is an ethnicity. The infobox is not the place to note this, though if one is interested in expanded the prose about Schimmel's ethnic background this is absolutely fair game, so long as it is effectively sourced. Rikster2 (talk) 11:37, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


 * na·tion·al·i·ty

ˌnaSHəˈnalitē/ noun 1. the status of belonging to a particular nation. "they changed their nationality and became Lebanese" synonyms:	citizenship More distinctive national or ethnic character. "the change of a name does not discard nationality" 2. an ethnic group forming a part of one or more political nations. "all the main nationalities of Ethiopia" synonyms:	ethnic group, ethnic minority, tribe, clan, race, nation More Translate nationality to Use over time for: nationality

Read both definitions "the status of belonging to a particular nation" she belongs to American Indian nation in part 2 it also says tribe. When your people where the first people born in the Americas then you nationality is first people not American. Our people where not brought her by a boat this is our land and our nation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batleaxewarrior (talk • contribs) 00:41, 21 July 2014‎ (UTC)


 * the first definition (synonym:citizenship) is the one that this field has been used for for 1000s of articles. Her citizenship is most definitely American (in other words, a citizen of the USA).  I appreciate your point, and think you should express it to its fullest in the article, but the nationality field is for nationality as it pertains to citizenship.  Since she has played for the United States in international competition there is absolutely no question it should read "American." Rikster2 (talk) 00:51, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

To look at only one definition and not the other is just using what applies to your argument their are a lot of people that have been forced to have citizenship in this country and your wrong because she does belong to a nation that is not of the United States she belongs to the Umatilla nation proudly and this is recognized by the United States and the federal bureau of Indian affairs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batleaxewarrior (talk • contribs) 01:10, 21 July 2014‎ (UTC)
 * no, it's understanding how the field has been applied across thousands of basketball player articles. You have a complete agenda here, so don't accuse me of trying to game the system.  As I said, she represented the US last Summer so she doesn't reject her American citizenship. Rikster2 (talk) 02:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Support use of "American" – for all basketball players' infoboxes (literally 1000s, probably 10,000s for both men and women combined), the nationality is for whom the player represents in international competition. Native American is an ethnicity, not a represented country. With reliable, third-party/independent sources of the subject I'd be in support of an entire section dedicated to her Native American heritage, but it's not the place for an infobox. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:51, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes but 10,000 basketball players men or women are not all first people American Indian not born on a reservation and not from a specific tribe recognized by the government. I would see it more fit to take out nationality and replace it with tribe most other first people. To say a native is American is like tossing out who their people are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batleaxewarrior (talk • contribs) 23:46, July 21, 2014 (UTC)‎


 * Agree with use of "American". She has played in international basketball competitions on the USA team; the meaning of "nationality" that is relevant in this context is her USA citizenship. Anyway, the term "First Nations" is not commonly used in the US, in contrast to its use in Canada. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:54, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S., please sign your comments. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:56, 25 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Support American: Per context described in WP:OPENPARAGRAPH: "In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable." Probably not fair based on the history of Native Americans, but Wikipedia is not the place to right great wrongs.—Bagumba (talk) 20:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)