Talk:Signal passed at danger

Wootton Bassett
I previously added the 2015 Wootton Bassett SPAD incident to this list, but it was removed by. Given recent developments (prosecution of driver and TOC), I'm now raising the question of whether or not this incident should be included in the list. Mjroots (talk) 15:48, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The list is of accidents, not near-miss incidents, so the Wootton Bassett incident doesn't belong in that existing list. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * My position has not changed. This is a list of accidents. As I understand it, there are hundreds of SPADs every year. We need to draw the line somewhere. An accident actually occured seems to be the line here and it is a clear bright line. Op47 (talk) 12:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

We've gone international
This article originally described what a SPAD is - an acronym unique to the UK. However the expression signal passed at danger is used by many countries, and so understandably international information has been added here - which is great. This has become mixed up with the UK details and created ambiguity, so I propose widening the general information and moving the SPAD specific information to a dedicated section on the page. Dr Sludge (talk) 19:04, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Midsomer Norton accident 1876
In the Midsomer Norton accident of 1876 there were no starting signals to SPAD across, nor was there any token working, only "Absolute Block".

With two trains crossing, the signaller gave the right of way to the guard on one train, "Righto Jack", not realising that both guards were named "Jack". Both trains departed, one unsafely.

The safeworking rules apparently failed to consider the case of two guards with the same name.

The resulting headon collision saw 17 people killed. Tabletop (talk) 13:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Tempi train crash 2023
I have added this to the list of SPAD accidents, but it seems like two users before have already added this accident and both of their edits have been reverted. If someone disagrees with my edit, could you please explain why this accident shouldn't be added? According to the article about this crash, the railway station manager responsible for the incident admitted to allowing one of the trains in the incident through a signal at danger, claiming that the switch from the up line (northbound) to the down line (southbound) had not been working, and that the passenger train (the train that was let through) should have stayed on the up line to avoid the freight train (other train involved in the accident). Thus, I'm pretty sure this accident should be included in the list. Waitblock (talk) 17:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC)