Talk:Silver Surfer/Archive 1

Congratulations people of the past!
-	I come from the future!, and I would like to congratulate you past dwellers on your meticulous record keeping regarding the dis-coloured board riding oscar. Thanks to your extensive detailing of his various important adventures, we here in the future were able to use this information, and much more like it, to create a utopia of continuous entertainment for our citizens. Due to your foresight and understanding of the world, you were able to forgo work on unimportant, primitive ideas and events of the past and instead contribute to something that will surely benefit mankind for centuries to come. I dare not think of what would have happened to our glorious future fun dome had you whittled your meagre lives away with other more frivolous endeavors.

You have our deepest thanks, inferior past humans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.90.234 (talk) 05:08, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

124.168.90.234 (talk) 05:10, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Awkward English
Am I the only one who has a problem with this text?
 * Originally a young astronomer of the planet Zenn-La, Norrin Radd made a bargain with a being, pledging himself to serve as his herald in order to save his home-world from destruction by fearsome cosmic entity known as Galactus. 
 * How about:
 * Originally a young astronomer of the planet Zenn-La, Norrin Radd made a bargain with a being known as Galactus.  Radd pledged himself to serve as the herald of Galactus in order to save his home-world from destruction by this fearsome cosmic entity. 
 * --BrianFennell 20:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Silver Surfer's Visible Penis
I noticed that one of the pictures in this article is the frame from the leaked teaser where the Silver Surfer has visible genitalia. Since this has never been an official part of his appearance (he has a featureless bulge), should we be using that?
 * I think that's just wishful thinking.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk • contribs)

Silver Surfer disambiguation
The term "Silver Surfer" is commonly used to dnote a senior citizen Internet user. Especially, though not exclusively, in the UK.

http://www.google.com/search?q=silver+surfers http://hackneysilversurfers.org.uk/

How do you/would you differentiate?

Spelling
Somebody needs to learn to spell. It's "seninel" of the spaceways... --squadfifteen

Superman citation
In the article it states "He can seemingly do anything, at least compared to other superheroes, who are limited to just one or a few powers" and then cite superman. Superman had this problem so why is he being used as an example?
 * This stuff is clearly non NPOV, Removd. T-1000 23:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Ultimate Silver Surfer
The article had the silver person with the wings pinned as the Ultimate Silver Surfer. However an identical being on a surfboard type item turned up in issue 3.

I would therefore hazard a guess that the figure with the wings is an ultimate version of Gabriel the Air-walker and the second is the Silver Surfer. However this is purely guess work at this stage. There cold 1000s of those beings.

Therefore I suggest that identification of WHOM the Silver Surfer is, is held off until someone is explicitly identified as such in the Mini-series? Otherwise we could erronously identify one silver being as being the surfer when in fact he has let to be revealed.

--Charlesknight 19:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

"He is seen sometimes with large wings instead of a bard and sometimes becoming one with his board, transforming into an eliptical shape. Wether there is more than one Surfer or if these are different versions remains to be seen."

So if we don't know which is which or even if they are diffent - why are we assigning attributes to him?

--Charlesknight 12:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

A series cannot be *both* 'short-lived' and 'ongoing'. They're mutually-exclusive. Not being familiar with the series personally, I don't know which is correct, but someone who does should change it. --Riff

em.. no they are not mutally-excluve in this context - I don't know who wrote that bit but it makes see to me. He had an ongoing series but it was short-lived and cancelled.

--Charlesknight 18:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Riff. "Ongoing" in the context of a series means it's still going on. I think "weekly" (or whatever timeframe is appropriate) is a good replacement for ongoing. Applejuicefool 20:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * He is slated to appear in Ultimate FF 42. I don't really read that series so I hope someone does and chos to update the article in May. Zuracech lordum 11:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Physical powers
I wouldn't say that he's complely resistant to physical attacks considering that Hulk literally bit his head of in Marvel zombies XSpaceyx 16:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Alternative universe - no idea of how that related to the mainstream 616 universe.

--Charlesknight 19:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yep, alternate universe, no bearing on 616 reality what-so-ever. In the zombie-verse they "ate" Galactus who doesn't even have flesh.  How do you "eat" a semi-abstract energy being if you are a zombie-fied Tony Stark?  Bottom line:  crap, alternate universe story with no bearing on mainstream continuity.


 * It was only IMPLIED that Galactus was eaten. That panel was never shown, although the zombies are shown to have gained the power cosmic later in the comic, it could be that they simply absorbed Galactus' energy. Bottom line: There is no proof that Galactus was eaten.


 * The characters stated that they "ate" Galactus, pretty damning evidence. They were even arguing over who got what body parts. Bottom line:  it's STILL a crap alternate universe story that has no bearing on the 616 reality.  Defending plot points of this substandard story will NEVER make this story relevant to the mainstream Silver Surfer's durability.  Bottom Line.


 * It IS seen on panel the "heros" eating Galactus - There are multiple panels of it. Just one instance we see Spiderman rip off one of his fingers and eat it.

--Charlesknight 17:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Fine it has no bearing on 616 but it's not crap. Robert Kirkman is brilliant. It's all opinion. Like me saying I think you're crap (whoever said it). OPINION. No place for that here. Discuss the article only, this is not a message board. Rad the rules if you don't get it...&mdash; ChocolateRoses talk

What does it say about SS powers when he is hp helpless (?) by Black Panther in FF#545. Does it have something to do with being separated physically from his board? AlbertHall 12:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't say anything about his powers. Silver Surfer ud have easily used his powers to free himself but before he could do that, Black Panther would have made him unconscious (he is still "humanoid" as Panther said and so SS still has veins and arteries and is prone to an attack but it takes a significant higher amount of energy to cause damage than it does for most people).


 * It was a Mexican standoff situation, i.e. similar to hvig a gun next to your head. The board, on the other hand, is a part of his body and is controlled by his mind but it is not the source of his powers. It is just his vessel of travel. The source of his powers is the Power Cosmic, a near-infinite well of energy that exists everywhere in the Universe.

SS does not require the board to actually travel, he jst prefere to travel with the board. It's his own little quirk from something about his child hood, it's explained in one of the first SS comics. The surfer can channel the power cosmic to increase any physical attribute of his. So if he was bistowed with enough power cosmic he could become stronger then the hulk, in brute strength. But mally without tapping into the power cosmic then i don't know. Bearing in mind nothing is supposed to be stronger then the Hulk in terms of brute strength in marvel.


 * Also, with the end of Annihilation, SS became big G's herald once more and was gifted with even more power so it is highly unlikely that the FF can defeat him hand to hand (they might beat him by working as a team). Zuracech lordum 20:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Personally I thought that the panther/ Surfer stand off was ridiculous. For a start the strength diference is so great that that even with the advantage of leverage the panther would have been unable to stop the surfer straigtening his arm. It would be like a five year old attempting to immobilise an adult! Aside from that the surfer could have projected energy from his body to render the Panther instantly unconcious or turn to energy as he did in his first encounter with the Thing!

D. Brame —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.12.19 (talk) 17:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Carnage symbiote
How about we post a picture of Carnage's symbiote bonded with the Silver Surfer? Maybe the same one that, for some reason, was removed from the Carnage article. It would give our viewers a knowledge that the Silver Surfer wasn't always silver... 70.58.211.220

He was still silver, just covered up by the symbiote. TheBalance 00:38, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, interesting. Well, I think it would just look cool to show him as Silver-Carnage or the Carnage-Surfer. 70.58.211.220


 * Why? He was only the Carnage symbiote for a short period of time.

I just think it would look cool.


 * It may "look cool" but it has nothing to do with Silver Surfer for he has met countless characters in his cosmic life and Carnage is representative of a very minute and insignificant fraction of the fictional biography that we are writing about. Zuracech lordum 18:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Character history
Some of the stuff in the section (such as his encounter with Doom) repeats itself later down the page. --DrBat 20:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, it's mentioned in his fictional biography that recently Reed diagnosed him to be ill and that he would soon die. This is only within the Marvel Knights continuity not Marvel's official continuity.

Light Speed and Hyper-space
Only some Marvel writers adhere to the notion of "hyper-space". The Surfer has flown and fought at greater than light speed before without going into hyper-space. Lochdale 22:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Jean-Jacques Rousseau
"Clearly drawing inspiration from Rousseau, Lee's script allowed this completely amoral entity to develop a sense of compassion through contact with the gentle Alicia Masters, a blind sculptress somehow capable of perceiving the surfer's innate nobility."

uh, really? 63.172.69.34 15:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * What is this, high school English class? Unless Stan Lee's drawing inspiration from Rousseau can be cited, it has no business in this article. - Hpanic7342 15:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Nonsense, right? Someone should fix it ... 63.172.69.34http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Silver_Surfer&action=edit 15:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've fixed it. The passage makes immeasurably more sense now. - Hpanic7342 15:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Similarly, what on earth is up with the passing Hegel reference? Being very familiar with good ol' GWF, it is not "clear" what connection the Silver Surfer has to Hegel. The best I can come up with is some horrid misunderstanding of the PhG. Can the person who put this in take it out, or alternatively explain what the Hegelian inspiration is supposed to be and source it to something Lee has actually said? 140.247.163.157 06:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. While the concept is there, unless anyone can find a direct reference indicating Hegel's influence, the remark should be deemed superfluous and hence removed. Zuracech lordum 18:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Annihilation Update?
The section on Annihilation looks like it needs to be updated following the completion of the series. It sounds like it was written while it was still going on. --Jaardon 08:36, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Noted. I am going to read it soon and try to best summarise the developments and expand the section. Anyone else able to do the same is greatly encouraged. Zuracech lordum 18:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Please check and see if it is any better.Zuracech lordum 11:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Marvel Zombies Section Vandalism?
According to the Marvel Zombies section, "In this alternate universe, where a portal is presumed to have led the infection (or zombies) there, silver surfer comes in contact with the zombie heroes. In a fight with him, they eventually defeat and feed from him. They seem to assume some of his cosmic power. Also they kill Galactucus and become in a twist multiple Galactucus's and feed on worlds to state their hunger. yeah!!!!". I haven't read this comic, but from what I understand, this isn't what happens, and is probably vandalism. Having not read it, though, I don't know what would go there as its replacement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.204.140.129 (talk) 02:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC).

Nope, not vandalism. It's a one shot series or something, a pretty entertaining one at that. Spider man eats mary jane and other outrageous stuff.

"One of the first graphic novels"
The description for one of the pictures on this topic states "one of the first graphic novels".

This is false. Graphic novels reach back to the Victorian era. It's neither one of the first graphic novels, nor even one of the first modern era graphic novels, nor even one of he first super hero themed graphic novels. I can think of no level on which that late 70s graphic novel is in any way a first for the field of graphic novels, aside from being a reltively early one (though not first) for Marvel comics as a publisher.

I think the best alternative description would be "one of the earlier Marvel comics graphic novels". That is at least fairly accurate.

Markcronan 18:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Changed. Zuracech lordum 11:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler?
Doesn't this article have spoilers? I'd assume it does, but there's no spoiler warning, and I can't seem to tell anywhere where spoilers neatly start or end Kevin 00:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Most of the articles on comic book characters do not have spoilers. The justification being that these are character "biographies" and not stories. You wouldn't put a spoiler before the biography of Franklin Roosevelt, would you? Zuracech lordum 20:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Referencing of the article and major edits
I've begun referencing the statements included in the article (at times, even to an exhaustive and unnecessary level). I'm generally following the Storm wiki as that page has been rated as a good article on the WikiProject Comics page. I'm hoping to try and get this page nominated as a good article as well.

So far, there needs to be a major re-write for the modern Silver Surfer run (the "Freedom from Exile" part onwards). I will get back soon and write more on this section.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Zuracech lordum 21:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Abilities
Superhuman strength - Hulk cannot defeat him in Vol 3, SS 125.

Physical resistance - can plunge into stars and be unscathed (various)

Energy manipulation - blasts of concussive force

Molecular transmutation - converts board to pure energy and thus crosses barrier put by Galactus in Vol 3, SS 1 (the barrier worked for the board only)

Control over the Fundamental Forces - unverified. Someone find a source please.
 * In Heralds 2, momentarily channels the energies of the "crunch" (!) - Sammyj 02:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Accepted. Zuracech lordum 08:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Degree of cosmic awareness - Don't really know about this but he does sense when Galactus is in trouble if things are horribly wrong (possibly Annihilation)
 * Still not sure about this.Zuracech lordum 08:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

The ability to travel at trans-light speeds - various

Suppressed aging process - He's nigh immortal as mentioned in various comics.

Mind control - unverified. He has enhanced telepathic resistance but I don't think he has mind control.
 * Don't recall an instance - Sammyj 02:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I vote that it be removed unless anyone comes up with a source for it within the week. However, if you have read Volume 4 in 2003, SS did speed up the intellectual level of a smart kid that he kidnapped (as Earth was said to be doomed so he gathered up all the gifted children of the world). Zuracech lordum 08:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait, correction. In Silver Surfer Volume 4, issue 10, he reads the mind of the mother of one of the gifted children. This is an extremely rare case, though so I don't know what the conclusion should be. It may just be an absolute minute point that is being discussed here so I'd like some resolution. Doesn't anyone else read this talk page? Zuracech lordum 11:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Time manipulation - He crosses the boundaries of time and takes Nova to a past version of Earth in Vol 3, SS 49. He does this so as to show Nova that she can't just kill off every planet that has unintelligent life as that would be equal to destroying Earth in its infancy. Also, he goes in the past to defeat Overlord, a superpowered dictator from the future in Vol 1.

Healing - Various comics have shown this for example, in Vol 3, SS 130 or something where he heals Puppet Master, Alicia Master's stepfather.

Any other abilities to add? Zuracech lordum 01:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there are others. Zuracech lordum 08:56, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What is it called when he can "track a grain of sand throughout the cosmos"? Zuracech lordum 09:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Nice summary of official abilities in Annihilation: Nova Corps Files. AlbertHall 02:33, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * True. That and Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe should make good sources. Will add references soon. Zuracech lordum 15:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Length of article
Article's becoming long and boring. Any suggestions as to what needs removing? Personally, I'm a huge SS fan so I want to include even more information in depth but then it may not be good for an encyclopaedia article. Zuracech lordum 09:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA
Whilst well-referenced, which is a serious problem for a lot of comic book articles (it's there, just read it, the lazy editors say) I fail the article due to no fair use rationales, a trivial pop culture section, some external links and an unverified powers section. Alientraveller 17:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Does every single picture on the Silver Surfer page fail the fair use rationale criteria or are they just a few specific ones? If so, could you select the ones that need updating? And how do you verify the powers of a comic book character? Zuracech lordum 03:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Most of the comics are cited, so why not cite them for the powers? Also, add fair use rationales to every non-free image if you feel you need them. Alientraveller 16:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That can be done. Regarding the pop culture section, are you comparing it with other characters that have a separate article dealing with this or are you stating that the material present in this article is not detailed? Zuracech lordum 17:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Removed unverified statements
Following statements are hard to verify and hence removed:

"This episode was removed from broadcast syndication after complaints were made about the "effeminate" and "narcissistic" parody of Silver Surfer." (in Cultural references, on SS's supposed appearance as the Silver Spoon in an episode of Dial M for Monkey).

"In yet later versions of the story, it was explained that the Zenn-Lavians were an offshoot of the Kree, a scientifically advanced, galaxy-spanning, alien race first created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the Fantastic Four." (at the end of Herald of Galactus section)

Please find references to support these two statements. Otherwise, they should not be in the article. Zuracech lordum 07:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Silver Surfer User box
If there are any wikipedians who are interested in calling themselves Silver Surfer fans then please place the following code on your user page:

Exiles
Removed section regarding SS's appearance in the Exiles alternate universe. Cannot find any reference regarding such and hence it has been "commented" out. When a proper reference (even an issue summary on a website stating his presence) has been obtained, the section can be placed back in. Zuracech lordum 15:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In Exiles 87 and 88, SS is evil and tries to stop world restorer Galactus. SS is defeated by temporary herald Sabretooth. AlbertHall 13:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Found the catalog on Marvel website that vaguely confirms that the written statements are true (through the promotional summary provided). Zuracech lordum 13:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Voice actor in FF 2
Silver surfer is not voiced by Laurence Fisbbourne in Rise of the silver surfer, he will voice Galactus.

---ICM

Wrong. Alientraveller 14:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

GA quick-fail criteria...
The fact template at the end of the Exiled to Earth section will force a GA-reviewer to "quick fail" the article by section 2.3 of   how to review a good article. I'm just mentioning it because the article is, overall, at or close to GA-quality, but the tag's been there for over 10 days... Cheers. H aus  Talk  14:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's been taken care of. The fact template should not even have been placed as a reference had already been present. Some editor removed it stating that there was no evidence regarding the existence of the the comic book mentioned. I've re-inserted the reference and have also included an additional link to a website that states that the issue exists inside a comment within that section to satisfy any inquisitions. I hope people won't be as annoying from hence forth by adding needless fact templates everywhere. Next time, people should, at least, check their sources before questioning the accuracy of the references present in the article. Zuracech lordum 13:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Beginning GA Review
This is to notify you that I am beginning a review of this article. I hope to complete the review in the next 24-36 hours, and will post here when I know the result. Regards, Fritzpoll 23:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Was thinking of taking it off soon. Zuracech lordum

GA Review: On Hold
This is generally speaking a good, well-referenced article. There are, however, some points that have to be taken into consideration before I can pass it. This article is therefore "On Hold" for the next 2-7 days. My comments are:

Lead


 * "Early promotional materials indicate it will be a loose adaptation of "The Coming of Galactus" with the Surfer more of a central villain." - I feel a reference is required for this.✅
 * "In tune with the counterculture of the era...." - the "In tune with the..." feels like inappropriate language. I also have no idea what this sentence means.  Needs clarification. ✅
 * General copyediting to check for appropriate comma use, hyphen use etc.

Publication history


 * "The Silver Surfer is a unique product of the Marvel system of comic creation. Unlike in the full scripts employed elsewhere, Lee and Kirby would discuss general storylines or plots initially but leave the specific story elements to the penciller (this was especially so in the case of Kirby)" - are these two sentences linked? If so, how? What is a 'penciller' - I wasn't even aware that it was a word.  Needs clarification.


 * Added wikilink to penciller. The two sentences are linked and indicated. Zuracech lordum 20:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC) ✅


 * Needs to be rewritten to adopt a neutral tone. For example "...allowed Lee to script some of his most thoughtful and introspective stories..."  seems to be a subjective opinion without justification.  This is a theme common to the text here.
 * Recommend "After his comic's cancellation..." --> "After his comic was cancelled,..." ✅
 * Reference the last statement, please, about his next appearance. ✅


 * Technically, it has already been mentioned and referenced in the Lead section. But it's been referenced again. Zuracech lordum 20:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Herald of Galactus
 * "He served Galactus for an unspecified amount of time, unable to return to Zenn-La or Shalla-Bal, until he came to the planet Earth." - choppy sentence, needs rewriting for clarity. Did he return to planet earth, or was he only able to go to Zenn-La or Shalla-Bal once he was there?  Needs clarifying. ✅

Exiled to Earth
 * Recommend "...for his rebellion, Galactus confined the Surfer..." --> "for his rebellion he confined the Surfer..."✅

I could go on and list more grammatical mistakes. I recommend you go through the article checking that you have used commas only where necessary, and make sure that a neutral tone is adopted throughout.


 * Considering that many frequent editors of the page contributed to the text, I doubt that they can all pin-point the grammatical mistakes, familiar as they are to the text. Zuracech lordum 20:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, after the first few I felt that listing them all would be extensive. Perhaps finding a neutral editor to copy-edit the text for you?  No rush - you have a week to sort this out :) --Fritzpoll 20:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Requesting the help of the cleanup taskforce. Cheers. Zuracech lordum 08:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a citation tag under Cultural References that will have to be found before I can pass the article.
 * I'm simply removing the tag. The section is not doubtful (the claim is that he has been mentioned on several shows, which he plainly has) and neither is the information harmful to the article as a whole (see tagging unsourced material). If the above statement is to be challenged then the claim that "(he made) appearances in the comics of Thor, the Defenders and the Fantastic Four" should also be challenged. Then it would get downright ridiculous. If it is seriously an issue then simply remove the names of the shows mentioned and simply state that: "He has been mentioned in various mainstream television programs and..."


 * If a specific episode was mentioned i.e. "On Scrubs, JD mentions that the Silver Surfer is his favourite superhero", then it might be challenged and hence a citation is mandatory. Zuracech lordum 20:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm happy for it to be removed. Bearing in mind that I am but a humble GA reviewer, and not a regular visitor to this page, I look for the tags, and if they're there, it's technically "quick-fail".  Fortunately, having looked in the history, I noticed that this was an issue, hence my highlighting it here.  Regards, --Fritzpoll 20:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

In other media - please remove the bullets and reword into prose - unencyclopaedic otherwise ✅ ✅

Make the corrections, and then drop me a line to my talk page, and I will have another look at whether it can be passed. Cheers, --Fritzpoll 17:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
 * 1) It is stable.
 * 2) It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
 * a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
 * 1) Overall:
 * a Pass/Fail:
 * a Pass/Fail:

This article has been on hold for several days, but I'm afraid that I don't anticipate the required corrections being made in the available time. The problems remaining include grammatical errors in the prose, and the remaining NPOV problems. In addition, I question whether the article is sufficiently focussed. It is doubtless comprehensive, but you may want to review exactly what details are necessary - a blow-by-blow account of the things that the Silver Surfer has done is not necessary. It is a shame to have to fail this, but it should allow sufficient time to make these corrections properly, and I would recommend that you renominate it as soon as the corrections have been made. Best wishes --Fritzpoll 18:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup Taskforce
I've begun copyediting with article, starting with the introduction. I know nothing about comics, though, so I'd appreciate it if a more knowledgeable editor would keep an eye on my changes. Canderson7 (talk) 17:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. You're doing a great job. Zuracech lordum 18:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Molecular Transmutation?
what is this power? CharliTa
 * It's his ability to transmute molecules so that they convert from one form to another. That's how he manages to create his board out of thin air. It is also the same ability that allows him to phase as the molecules of his body simply transmute into air or whatever material he's going through. When he comes out at the other end, he transmutes back into his original flesh. It's a pretty powerful yet underused ability (or in simple English, he can convert sand to Gold). Zuracech lordum 15:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

this is just an example, this right: air to fire? something like that? well thanks.


 * Yes, air to fire would be possible as you would simply have to convert air molecules to plasma (what fire is made up of). Of course, this would require tremendous amounts of energy but this is the world of fiction. Zuracech lordum 22:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Golden Cosmic Powers?
At one point in the cartoons either Silver Surfer or Fantastic Four the Surfer was in a cell and said he was loosing his silver cosmic powers that Galuctaucs gave him, but golden powers where trying to replace them or somthing? if someone can find that info and add it it may prove valiable to future data about his growing god like powers! -- Awar 16:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC).\

It was in the 1995 cartoon. Dr. Doom had stolen the Surfer's powers, and the gold energy was just one of Reed's attempts to restore them. Bluecatcinema 12:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt that the character possesses any such powers. They sound ridiculous and might have just been included in a one-shot or something. It definitely has not ever made an appearance in any of his mainstream solo comics and hence does not really warrant a mention. But feel free to go ahead if you can provide the appropriate reference for the piece of information. Zuracech lordum 14:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

In Exiles #88 Sabretooth is given cosmic powers by Galactus, and he is golden. This is from the same other version of SS that is under the subheading Exiles. -Freak104 15:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold
Very standard manual-of-style issue here: all references need to go directly any form of punctuation. Alientraveller 20:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I've gone through and corrected this. Referred to Footnotes. Zuracech lordum 05:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Well there's still a pretty obvious wrong placement in the lead, and please note that all images need fair use rationales, and you can't link Galactus in a heading. Alientraveller 19:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. Zuracech lordum 23:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

You pass. Alientraveller 09:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Well done, everybody! I'll close the Cleanup Taskforce request now. Canderson7 (talk) 01:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Fantastic Four sequel
Since it's out as of today, someone who has seen it should probably rework some of the stuff. I noticed some tense issues with the intro regarding the film, but I'm sure that there are even more towards the end of the article where it goes in depth about the film and Silver Surfer's role in it. Afrobean 06:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Film Image
Does anyone know if the image of the silver surfer from the film is purchased or not because I would like to put it on my user page.--Gundor Twintle Fluffy 20:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Pop Culture
I remember there being a show on cartoon network, which showed the life of of sprites inside a computer. I cant remember the name, and am having trouble finding it online, but during the later season(s) there was a character who strongly resembled the SS. He was shiny and flew on a surfboard. I think they called him a "net surfer" or some such. If anybody sees this as something other than usesless ramblings, can you figure out the name of th show? Kage-Lupus 18:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The shows name was "ReBoot". 70.162.255.185 02:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Requiem Continuity
When is Requim supposed to be happening? Judging by Spider-Man's traditional costume, as seen in #2, it's pre-civil war, but post-civil war, the surfer's with Galactus, but isn't he supposed to die by then? Bluecatcinema 09:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No evidence that it's even in the 616 universe.

I would have to say this is outside of cannon. In book three, Magneto is seen to be contemplating SS current situation.

It's out of cannon - Marvel Knights now seem to be the imprint they are using for tales that don't fit in other places - so this, Spider-man:Reign and the Last Daredevil story (Daredevil:the end by another name). It's mentioned in a couple of interviews. --Fredrick day 00:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

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Original 1994 Film Trailer!!!
I remember years and years ago I used to read a lot of sifi magazines and just after Terminator 2 was released there was loads of discussions and talks about a Silver Surer movie.

They made an awesome trailer http://www.stage6.com/Super-Heroes/video/1360821/Silver-Surfer

Just wondered if anyone else knew more about this and could add it into the Film section. Nothing at the moment. -Tom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.209.224.156 (talk) 21:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) DumZiBoT (talk) 05:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "silversurfer1v4" :
 * Silver Surfer vol. 4, #1 (March 2004)
 * Silver Surfer vol. 4, #12 (Oct. 2004)

No longer a good article
I don't believe this article meets the good article criteria, in particular, I think in it's current form it fails 1b) in that it had reams of in-universe perspective and jargon. --Cameron Scott (talk) 17:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Then propose a reassessment. (Emperor (talk) 19:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC))


 * The process seems rather involved, I'll draft it this evening offline and post it in the morning. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Rather than trying to demote the article, why not fix it back up? 71.194.32.252 (talk) 22:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Black Hole Mention
The P&A text currently reads "He has even proven capable of withstanding the extreme forces encountered within black holes and stars." I've read the referenced Silver Surfer #16, and the 'black hole' in question is apparently not of the real-world singularity/"infinite pressure in the middle" variety, but rather a portal to the realm of the entities Chaos and Order. Galactus and the In-Betweener are even seen standing halfway through a very explicit portal during their throwdown in issue #18. As the text currently reads it suggests that it would take scales of infinity to harm the Surfer, i.e. for example that Galactus himself could not cause the slightest dent through raw force. In any case it was spelled out that the vessel the Fantastic Four were travelling in (acquired from Galactus's storage?) was ravaged by pressure beyond the limits of any earthly spaceship, so it might be comparable to the outer boundaries of a black hole, but certainly not close to the centre. On the other hand the mention that the Surfer has withstood the pressure in the heart of stars is indisputable, and should stay. Dave (talk) 19:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This was indeed a Black Hole, your rationalizations and interpretations are just that, your rationalizations. The Surfer did not realize he could even withstand a black hole until informed he could indeed do so by Galactus.  There was no indication this was anything other than a normal black hole in the story.  The Surfer also fought Red Shift within a black hole during Galactus the Devourer.  Terrax has also withstood staying within a black hole for an extended period in Rom'series, and his durability is clearly below the Surfer's.  TheBalance (talk) 02:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't remember Terrax entering a black hole in the Rom series, only seeing him beaten up by a bunch of low-powered spaceknights, which makes absolutely no sense in relation to the literally infinite pressure at the core of a black hole. Silver Surfer #18 is also far from a rationalisation (which also shows a complete lack of counter-arguments on your part). It's pure logic from a non-completely uninformed perspective about what a black hole is in a real-world context, and what it was presented as within the book, and as described above it's extraordinarily dubious at best. Additionally it doesn't make any sense whatsoever for the writer to have the Surfer withstand forces an infinity above what Galactus can muster, and beaten to the point of death by the Runner in the same storyline. I have not read the Red Shift story, but if, and this is a big if, the writer truly (given that you have a track record of repeatedly inserting extremely misrepresentative hyperbole descriptions favouring your pet characters) did use this feature (an image might help, but I'll check it up), was this within the core (i.e. the whole scales of infinity hang-up) or the event horizon? Big difference there. As the text currently is presented it seems like the Surfer can withstand any extent of force a real-world black hole can muster, regardless where within it he is situated. I.e. the core of stars mention is fully sufficient, but if you truly need to keep the black hole mention, it should A: Use a reliable reference (the Red Shift story rather than Silver Surfer #18, or #37 as it currently says due to referring to the star), and B: specifically mention that it is not the core of black holes but the event horizon. Thank you. Dave (talk) 21:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Btw: This would be the same storyline you use as definite 'proof' that Galactus can move galaxies across time correct? Never mind that the spaceknights were clearly seen in populated space at the final page with stars and planets filling the sky, and even keeping asteroids within it and only Galador was missing? The one for which the handbook explicitly stated that Galactus only moved the planet Galador, and no movement through time was done, only space? Just checking. Dave (talk) 21:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Fact: Terrax sat IN a black hole for days to hide from Galactus.  I was mistaken; however, about the Rom reference, the incident took place in Dazzler #10-11, not in Rom.  The Surfer fought Red Shift in a black hole, not out on the outer regions.
 * Whether you like it or not is irrelevant, the Surfer has been shown capable of withstanding the full force of a black hole on multiple occasions. TheBalance (talk) 00:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fact: Terrax was beaten senseless by spaceknights (who are just above Spider-Man power level), but good of you to adjust the reference. However, if I don't misremember wasn't Dazzler empowered to regular herald-level in that storyarc and personally beat Terrax? Fact: The full force of a black hole is inversely proportionate to the distance from the centre (just think of it as dividing with a number closer and closer to zero), and black holes are immense in size. Meaning: Unless it was stated outright that the Surfer was situated within the absolute centre (which is impossible as far as I'm aware, as I've been told that time slows down the closer you get) the "full force" isn't remotely true by an infinite margin. So specifically wording it in such a way that any force whatsoever within it can be withstood while specifically linking/referring to the real-world version (which has nothing whatsoever to do with the dimensional portal used in SS#18 btw) is extremely misleading regarding the Surfer's durability levels. If he could then nothing whatsoever that Galactus dished out would even manage to budge the slightest atom off his coating. The rational way to settle this would be to simply come up with a brief wording that signifies that the word black hole was used, but no mention of a position within the absolute centre with accompanying singularities was made, and I'm not particularly good with brief, so I'm very open for suggestions. Dave (talk) 09:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

If he's shown in a black hole in a comic, he can survive being in a black hole - regardless of the real world physics or your original research. I am starting to view you as a disruptive editor, I am seeing you on a lot of pages wasting people's time with this obession that you have with measuring power levels and ensuring articles confirm to your original research and need for lavish overdetail. We don't care, wikipedia doesn't care - this isn't a fanboy wiki, you need to get that straight in your head and stop wasting people's time with those deadends. --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Look, I don't have remotely unreasonable demands. Like many other editors I simply get an extremely annoyed itch whenever other editors systematically falsify information to boost a certain character they like, especially if absolute terms such as "unlimited" or "invulnerable" are used. I have a very long experience of TheBalance systematically doing exactly that for the cosmic section, but we've come to get along better lately. Me and User:OdinsBeard consistently edited out any (repeated) inserts of the Hulk possessing "unlimited" strength for the same reason. If there are no ambiguous circumstances then I agree with you, but the "black hole" in question was _literally_ shown as a portal in space with Galctus and In-Betweener stuck inside it, and no specifics were stated about the Surfer being at the centre of a singularity. (I could upload the image if you'd prefer?) All I'm asking for are completely truthful specifics in all wordings, since Wikipedia is used as a global resource for reliable information. I have an issue with the purposefully misleading issue. As for the "OR" term does no more stick to being specific (Me) than it does to being purposefully sweeping and linking to the real-world concept (TB) for a direct reference. The easiest solution to this would be for you to come up with a brief wording that specifies these points which you are satisfied with. That's all. Dave (talk) 16:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I have been through my comics - Red Shift and Silver Surfer "struggle within the dying star's black heart" when fighting in a black hole. That's the start middle and end of it - it's there on the page. I think we are all sick of your time wasting at this point. I certainly am and I will waste no more productive time indulging your nonsense. --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I haven't read "Galactus the Devourer" myself as far as I remember, but the way you tell it that instance does sound a whole lot less ambiguous than SS#18. I'll check for it when I get the time, and have modified/edited the reference source in the meantime. Could someone edit in a specification of the issue of the mini? Dave (talk) 18:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Images
There are 9 non-free images for this page, which seems not to reflect minimal use. My recommendation is to removal all the comic covers (including the box image, due to poor resolution), except 1 (either SSv1#1 or FF78) to replace the box image, and keep FF2:rise of the SS and SS:animated. -Sharp962 (talk) 02:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC).
 * Removed excessive non-free images, after tagged for over 2 mths and no additional comments or suggestions, removed previously identified images. -Sharp962 (talk) 21:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC).

Silver Surfer template
Silver Surfer fans please help out and discuss in this template,Template:Silver Surfer. Captain Virtue (talk) 14:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Merge
I am purposing an merge for Power Cosmic to this article mainly in the Powers and abilities section. Jhenderson777 (talk) 18:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Not a good idea. The Silver Surfer had only a small amount of the Power Cosmic; that given to him by Galactus. Other beings have had it also, including the Galatic Hierarchy.  fr33k man  -simpleWP-   07:39, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * No, if the Power Cosmic article was merged with anything the Galactus entry would be most fitting. TheBalance (talk) 19:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok then. Now that I think about it Galactus is defianetly a better fitting. Power Cosmic is such an small article though that I am not sure it goes with Notability as an artice of its own and probably needed to be merged somewhere is the reason why I purposed the merge. Thank you for your comments. Jhenderson777 (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I realize now that if it does get merged it should get merged in the articles Galactus or Heralds of Galactus. Jhenderson777 (talk) 19:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

References in Film
Is it worth mentioning the dialog from Crimson Tide, with the argument between the two sailors over their opinions about the Kirby vs. Moebius versions of Silver Surfer? Crimson667 (talk) 15:24, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Unless it's important to the plot of the movie, I would say no. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:18, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I disagree. I would say it is indeed needed if its in the script of the movie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardsons5 (talk • contribs) 17:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Creator of The Character
There's a slow motion edit dispute regarding Stan Lee's inclusion as a creator of the Silver Surfer. On one side, there's Lee's own admission he didn't know who the character was supposed to be until Kirby told him. On the other, Lee was the writer of the first issue Surfer appeared in, and added to the characterization from his first appearance. The Silver Surfer Omnibus describes him as "created by the titanic team of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the pages of The Fantastic Four" I think the details of the character's origin in the Publication History section is sufficient to give Kirby his due. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:11, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Concur. Lee himself does not feel he was creator or co-creator of the Silver Surfer. Advertising and promotional copy for the Omnibus, written by a marketing person and not a journalist nor Lee himself, is insufficient to credit him as creator or co-creator. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Update:

The following article includes the Stan Lee deposition about the creation of Marvel characters. Pertaining to the creation of the Silver Surfer, he states that he came up with the name and as the editor and art director, it was his duty to ratify characters and develop stories and plot ideas. Since Stan Lee had developed the character of Galactus as well as naming and writing the story of the Silver Surfer - surely he should be considered a co-creator of the character? Both artist and writer were involved in the development before the character appeared in print.

Also, it appears that neither Stan Lee or Jack Kirby ever spoke to each other of creation of character rights. I'm not sure on all the other comic book collaborators, but I presume creation of a character is frequently shared between the writer and the artist.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/03/09/the-stan-lee-deposition-on-the-origins-of-the-marvel-universe-for-kirby-family-vs-marvel-lawsuit/

I see that Tenebrae has repeatedly edited the article to reflect his view that Kirby was the sole creator of the character, but the article linked above suggests otherwise. While Kirby absolutely designed the character's look and function within the story, Lee makes it clear that he wrote the character's introduction and portrayal. It's a little odd that we keep having this edit war continue despite the fact that we have information like this that makes it clear that the character was co-created by Lee and Kirby. Why does the article not reflect this? Stormkith (talk) 21:39, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Lee acknowledged that Kirby added the character without any input from him. Lee added to the character, but he didn't create him. I think the article covers this pretty well. Argento Surfer (talk) 22:03, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Lee also plainly states that he created the character's personality. Are we going to just pretend that isn't part of the creation process? Kirby was responsible for the Surfer's design and his function in the story, but Lee wrote Norrin Radd's background, motivation, and general portrayal. If we are ignoring all those things when it comes to comic characters and their creation, then no comic writer should ever be listed as co-creator. Which I think we all agree is absurd. Lee is co-creator. Stormkith (talk) 06:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Your comparison is flawed. Silver Surfer is unique precisely because Lee didn't expect him to be in the artwork. He did expect Galactus because they had discussed Galactus prior to Kirby drawing it.
 * Yes, Lee added significant elements to the character. So did Steve Englehart. And Jim Starlin. And Ron Marz. And JM DeMatheis. And Keith Giffen. And Dan Slott. And several other writers I'm omitting. Only Kirby created the character. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:59, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Jack Kirby Included the character without stan Lee's Prior knowledge making Jack Kirby the sole creator ZeroXist (talk) 23:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

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Film rights
So...since Disney's buying 20th Century Fox and is getting the film rights to the X-Men and Fantastic Four, does this mean the Walt Disney Company owns the rights to Silver Surfer, as well? 70.92.179.85 (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:12, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

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Stan Lee as co-creator
If Lee is going to be added to the infobox a co-creator, then the lead and body need to be updated as well. Argento Surfer (talk) 16:02, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

he was not the co creator ZeroXist (talk) 23:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

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