Talk:Sima Yi

Wuzhang Plains?
I'm quite confused as to who won the battle of Wuzhang Plains. At the article for the Battle of Wuzhang Plain, it says that Shu won with massive ambushes after creating a false Zhuge Liang. : The Local Village Idiot 23:40, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Shu retreated after Zhuge Liang's death. Sima Yi tried to press the attack, but withdrew when he found the fake Zhuge Liang.  Shu then completed their retreat.  Victory would not be an accurate claim. Forgottenlord 01:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I wish that article could be edited then (because I can not find a way). It would probably be more accurate to say that Wei won because they still repeled the Shu forces from going any further north.  filipino_dragon21
 * You should probably edit the Wuzhang Plains article if you want to say who won and who lost. This article at present states "His strategy was successful, and he was able to prevent Zhuge Liang from advancing any further," which is basically in agreement with what you said. I'll add a link to the Battle of Wuzhang Plain to this article, since I missed it before.--Alex Small 11:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I added a small note in parenthesis on it noting that Wei still was able to repel the Shu invasion. Not much, but it keeps the reader from thinking that Shu won a total victory, although they did not because they did not achieve their objective.  filipino_dragon21
 * I've made some changes to the Battle of Wuzhang Plains article, things should be a bit more clear now. Or so I hope. 09:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sima won. Isn't that a common knowledge??EkmanLi (talk) 18:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

In The Battle of Wu Zhang Plains, Sima Yi struck at the Shu forces when he received reports of Zhuge Liang's death, which also forced a close to the Northward Campaign. Though, Zhuge Liang was prepared for his death and gave out orders, prior to the battle, in the case of his premature death. However, this plan that his death put into motion was not meant to win the battle, but to ensure the Shu forces safe retreat. Ryder_Kain 01:02PM, 9 September 2015 (CT) —Preceding undated comment added 18:05, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

WuZhang Plains: Sima Yi Vs. Zhuge Liang
To add on to what went down during the battle between Zhuge Liang and Sima Yi, it is true what happen. At the time Cao Rui, had lead many campaigns against the Shu army, but he would always lose due to Zhuge Liang's strategies. Sima Yi, on the other hand, soon was to be reinstated in order for Wei to combat the Shu army. Sima Yi's cunning knew no bounds and he was feared by Zhuge Liang himself.(Cao Cao also viewed Sima Yi as a potiential threat but more information must be provide to weather if he knew about him or not.) During the battle at Wu Zhang Plains, Zhuge Liang did his best to taunt Sima Yi into attacking him, but the Wei strategist did not buy into any attempt. Even with both men being as patient as they are, Sima Yi knew that Zhuge Liang would soon no longer be around to see the battle through. --Zhang Liao 16:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

The Greatest Mind Under Heaven
With Sima Yi's prediction true, he called for an all out assault on the Shu army as they began to retreat. Zhuge Liang died during the battle but the Shu army hid his death even when the Wei troops came for them. After striking back tremendously with ambush parties and a well dressed fiqure of Zhuge Liang, Sima Yi thought that the great Shu strategist had returned so he called off the pursuit. After the Shu army successfully retreated back south, Sima Yi came to the encampment of Zhuge Liang. He observed what was left of the Shu strategist and declared him, "The Greatest Mind under Heaven."--Zhang Liao 16:40, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Major Edit
I translated the Japanese version of the Sima Yi page. The Japanese readings of the names are quite different from pinyin, however, and some of the names I couldn't even find a romanization for. Anyone with knowledge of these sort of things please check the names for errors and correct them.

Also, I think a section dealing with the impression of Sima Yi from Romance of the Three Kingdoms should be included, if anyone feels up to it.--Alex Small 11:48, 17 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The quality of writing on this page could be improved; it feels like it was taken from a comic book (e.g. "sprang into action"). Can someone with more knowledge of the subject material try and clean this up? Thanks, Hu Gadarn 21:06, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Editing a phrase like "sprang into action" doesn't take any knowledge of the subject. Feel free to take care of it yourself.--Alex Small 07:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Sima Yi's Rise
During Cao Cao's invasion to the South Land and the Battle of Chi Bi, he did at the time being knew of Sima Yi and had appointed him to be a Literary Secretary. Although he was not involved in the battles, he was around when Cao Cao had already finished off his toughest opponents like Lu Bu and Yuan Shao.--Zhang Liao 19:16, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Sima Yi originally had no intention of participating in Wei's affairs, involving the Three Kingdoms Era, and made his greatest effort to avoid positions concerning the war. Sima Yi even went through the effort of laying in a bed, "dormant of life," in an attempt to discourage Cao Cao's interest in him. Sima Yi was great enough an actor that he convinced Cao Cao's men of his illness when they went to see the bed ridden politic. Eventually, Cao Cao became Imperial Chancellor and ordered Sima Yi to serve under him. Ryder_Kain 1:21PM, 24 September 2015 (CT)

Recent edit
The line "Two years after Sima Yi's appointed post, he was executed for a atempted affair with Cao Pi's wife Zhen Ji." has been added to the article, but who is "he?" Obviously, not Sima Yi, as he was never executed... If possible, could someone please clarify this? --Alex Small 01:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's vandalism, I'm pretty sure. --Nlu (talk) 05:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)


 * "He" might be Niu Jin. A misinformed person might had added that statement because Niu was recorded (rumored) to be involved in an affair with one of the palace maids or females from the royal house. In reality, Niu could never had an affair with Zhen Ji, because the latter died long before Sima and Niu gained power.EkmanLi (talk) 18:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Movies
The tone of the Dynasty Warriors movies section implies that the character Sima Yi delivered oscar winning performances in the DW ending shorts. His presence in the 'movies' isn't significant anyway and the movies all last about 10 seconds and aren't particlularly deep.
 * True, we shouldn't be putting the emphasis on those insignificant detail. It's fancrufty....I will be removing those if no one objects. _dk 12:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't write the original description, but I re-wrote the entire section with no emphasis on the movies or the fairly average voice acting. Is everybody happy with the current description? Gamer Junkie 06:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Citation
Under the verifiability principle, cn should be given from original entries if possible. cn from later works should be given if cn from original works are inadequate to elaborate upon the issue.EkmanLi (talk) 18:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

My cousin has Sakaguchi's book back in Hong Kong, and I had it read a few years ago when I was taking a vacation. At the time, I already noticed some minor errors within his work (those are acceptable tiny errors, like the ones for most other mordern works), my point is that no one can guarantee absolute accuracy on any works (including SGZ), so cn from original source is preferrable, because we can better discuss at the issue even deviations are present.EkmanLi (talk) 18:45, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Some modern works discuss the discrepancies of the original sources and later interpretations, so those works are good cites as well. _dk (talk) 00:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Yea, that's why I said they should be used. I use them for those purposes too.EkmanLi (talk) 07:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)