Talk:Sirocco

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please don't forget about linking it with Volkswagen's most loved coupe, the VW Scirocco ! there is a large comunity of people (see forums.vwvortex.com, www.scirocco.org, ...) that loves that car, they know that scirocco is a wind blah blah blah but nonetheless, YOU NEED TO LINK this word to the car, too ! please.

please don't forget about linking it with Volkswagen's most loved coupe, the VW Scirocco ! there is a large comunity of people (see forums.vwvortex.com, www.scirocco.org, ...) that loves that car, they know that scirocco is a wind blah blah blah but nonetheless, YOU NEED TO LINK this word to the car, too ! please.

siroco vs lebeche (xaloc vs llebeig)
After reading this entry I was a little confuse. For me (Valencia -Spain) I have always called siroco/xaloc to the SE wind and lebeche/llebeig the SW. Note the spelling lebeche (Spanish Royal Academy Dictionary drae). In this article they are mixed and explained as they were the same, or at least this is my impression. Probably is because in the reference used:winds_names they are referred as the same thing:

Leveche A warm wind in Spain, either a foehn or a hot southerly wind in advance of a low pressure area moving from the Sahara Desert. Called a SIROCCO in other parts of the Mediterranean area.

Sirocco A warm wind of the Mediterranean area, either a foehn or a hot southerly wind in advance of a low pressure area moving from the Sahara or Arabian deserts. Called LEVECHE in Spain.

According to this source, is confusing to me the sirocco definition, if it moves from sahara or arabian desert this means, from the mediterranean (Greeks, Phoenicians, Romans etc)point of view SW or SE respectively so it would represent two winds. At least in Spain we give two different names for this two predominant winds. Obviously we keep the original etymology of the names even when for us the SE involves boths Syria and Libya (probably this is the confusion) and the lebeche comes from Maroco.

Are lebeche and siroco taken as synonyms in other parts of the Mediterranean sea?

Can someone explain better the differences between lebeche and siroco?

Pablomarin —The preceding  signed but undated.

Merge
This article should be merged with Scirocco. Andres 18:04, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Done. I've integrated it here because I think this is more common in Italian, and the Croatian bastardization of Italian &#353;iloko is more like it. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93;   20:58, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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I AM A PROUD OWNER OF A 1979 FUEL INJECTED SCIROCCO COUPE. THIS IS A RARE AND VERY VALUABLE AUTOMOBILE. EVEN AFTER 155,000 MILES THE ENGINE, DRIVE TRAIN, BRAKES, ETC. ARE IN NEW CONDITION. THIS CAR IS A VERY UNIQUE EXPERIENCE TO DRIVE.

THERE SEEMS TO BE NOTHING REMARKABLE ABOUT THE TORQUE AND HORSEPOWER SPECIFICATIONS, BUT THAT IS COUNTERED BY THE CAR'S EXTREMELY LIGHT WEIGHT. A FEW TIMES WHEN SOMETHING ELECTRICAL (LIKE A FUSE, OR RELAY) MALFUNCTIONED ABOUT A MILE OR TWO FROM MY HOME, I EASILY PUSHED IT HOME!

BECAUSE OF THE HIGH MILEAGE A LOT OF MINOR THINGS NEEDED REPLACEMENT, BUT ONCE THE CAR HAS BEEN MECHANICALLY RESTORED, IT IS VERY RELIABLE. MY CAR HAS A FEW CUSTOM ACCSESSORIES INCLUDING A CUSTOM EXHAUST (GIVING IT A POWERFUL EXAUST NOTE), COSTUM COOLING ALUMINUM DUCTS, FORCING THE AIR (I TOOK OFF THE GRILL) INTO THE RADIATOR TO MAKE IT RUN VERY COOL, EVEN IN VERY HOT WEATHER.

IT HAS A SET OF NEW TIRES WITH GOLD AND METALLIC RIMS WHICH I MADE MYSELF, AND IS UNIQUE. RIGHT NOW I AM IN THE PROCESS OF TOUCHING UP THE METTALIC GREEN PAINT, AND IT HAS YELLOW PINSTRIPING. THE BODY IS IN PERFECT CONDITION, EVEN AFTER A HONDA CIVIC BACKED UP INTO THE RIGHT SIDE DOOR. ALL I NEEDED TO DO WAS TAKE OFF THE INTERIOR PANEL AND POP IT BACK OUT. THIS CAR IS VERY LIGHT WEIGHT, YET IS HAS THE CHARCTERISTICS OF A SMALL TRUCK.

A VERY INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS SCIROCCO IS THE SUSPENSION. IT IS VERY SPRINGY, AND WHEN I DRIVE OVER SPEED BUMPS AND DIPS I DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO SLOW DOWN. ON A DIRT ROAD THE HANDLING IS PERFECT. SOMETIMES FOR FUN, BECAUSE OF THE CAR'S SMALL SIZE, I DO THINGS LIKE DRIVE UP ON A SIDEWALK, ETC. FOR A SHORT DISTANCE. THIS CAR CAN FIT IN PLACES WHERE ALMOST NO OTHER CAR CAN FIT.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THIS GERMAN ENGINEERED CAN RUN EASILY OVER 300,000 MILES OR MORE. I WOULD NOT TRADE IT FOR ANYTHING.


 * Your caps lock key is broken. andy 17:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * You sound like a very impressive chap. I shall have to remember that, and when I hear a powerful exhaust note approaching at very impressive up the sidewalk, I shall wave or even marvel at the quite inspiring colour scheme of the small truck-like, perfectly handled, perfect handling auto, rapidly approaching me. I hope I don't make any sizeable dent in the still-unblemished bodywork of the German-engineered can (some mistake, surely?). What with the extreme light weight of your car though, I suspect I shan't have any broken bones, but I would nevertheless consider it an honour if that were to be the outcome. I must however take issue with your comment about the car fitting in places where no other car could fit (or indeed would want to fit). With your permission, plenty of vaseline, and a really good shove, I believe I could surprise, nay, astound you by inserting it in a place where no other car would fit. Nickflybod (talk) 19:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

depressing effect
User:Pwqn added a quote from a Project Gutenberg copy of a text dated 1827, which makes it free, but still not too encyclopedic. It should be rephrased. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93;   20:10, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sirocco
Hello, I noticed that there is a reference here to the Australian band called Sirocco which I suppose is fine, but if you list that band, you should also list the band called Sirocco that predates the Australian one by several years. Just a thought. I added it once and it was removed so I figured the author has a preference for the Aussie band. I had understood that this was supposed to be an unbiased website.


 * So it is; however there was no reason to remove the internal link to the Australian band and replace it with an external link to the Californian band's website. I've added both to the disambiguation header, though I have no idea if either one is notable enough to deserve an article. &#8212;Charles P. (Mirv) 20:17, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, there is room for both, but I didn't replace, I just added. Then after it was reverted, I removed both in the interest of keeping it unbiased. Regarding the wind phenomenon called Sirocco, I heard a funny quote about it: "The Sirocco comes in and kills all the flies and drives the women crazy." -Chili

mental health?
Is the article claiming that the winds can cause psychological depression, or is it hinting at some sort of mystical or spiritual element that directly causes those in the affected areas to be depressed? sdr


 * The generally bad state of the weather that the wind causes and brings causes depression, there is no mysticism. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93;   20:07, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Q: "known depressing effects" reference?
Could anyone provide a reference on the depressing effects? The article makes it sound like this is scientific knowledge; if it is instead simply "generally considered", the article should reflect this. -- Creidieki 15:51, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure. Start by talking to anyone who lives in those areas. And what's with all the VW branding? That's totally OT.

Removed Material: Depressing Effects (no references)
I removed a paragraph on the depressing effects of siroccos, since it seemed to be largely subjective, and since I had not been able to find a reference for it. Unfortunately, the only references I've been able to find are from companies selling air ionizers. Please feel free to readd the material, with an appropriate reference. The paragraph is below. -- Creidieki 19:19, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


 * The corroding wind of a hot Sirocco has known depressing effects. People have reported various symptoms such as an unwonted dullness, an aching melancholy feeling, enervation, being easily annoyed, having irritating dreams etc. The wind incites depression both when it blows with force and when it is a mere exhalation rather than a strong wind. It can easily affect anyone visiting the areas where the wind blows, unaware of the cause of their mental misery.


 * It may be subjective but it's also not untrue. Do you have any real reason to believe that this does not happen, when several editors (some anonymous, and some from an old encyclopedia, granted, but still) have already stated that it does? --Joy &#91;shallot&#93;   22:30, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm primarily worried because it sounds like Original Research. I don't know whether it's untrue, but I have no reason to believe that it *is* true, and my request for references several weeks ago was ignored.  From reading this section, I don't know whether "Many legitimate scientific organizations have published about the depressing effects of Siroccos in peer-reivewed journals", whether "Little scientific research has been done on the subject, but the literature and popular culture of the area are full of references to the Sirocco being depressing, and every schoolchild knows it", or whether "Several wikipedians believe that the Sirocco is fairly depressing".  If this could be clarified, hopefully with references, I don't have any problem with the material being here.  -- Creidieki 14:34, 13 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Since I haven't received any responses about this, I've removed the material again. I encourage someone to add similar material if references can be found.  -- Creidieki 12:30, 20 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Sigh. Whatever. Although, please don't call it original research when it's not. It's simply unreferenced *here*. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93;   21:42, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Qibli
I changed the supposed meaning of qibli from "southern" to "coming from the qibla." The qibla is only coincidentally South/Southeast for the Mediterranean. I also removed the link to a non-existent entry in Merriam Webster. "Ghibli" is just an alternate transliteration reflecting a Libyan pronunciation (cf. Qaddafi/Ghaddafi.) "Qibli" is in line with the Wikipedia proposed style guide. IQAG1060 00:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Similar Winds
Should haboob be added to this list? Abenr (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Other prominent wind systems in the region are the bora/bura/burja (northwestern) and the llebeig/lebeccio/lebić (southwestern).

Etymology
Sources all suggest that scirocco does not originate from greek sirokos as suggested here, but instead from Arabic shuluq. Please change. Garzanti (dictionary) is a very reputable source: http://www.garzantilinguistica.it/ricerca/?q=scirocco — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.34.253 (talk) 07:12, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that phonetics-wise šurūq seems to be the best candidate. šarqiyyah may be a more mainstream word, but it would've most likely yielded a different form, maybe *sirghia, not sirocco. 195.187.108.4 (talk) 16:23, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Merge (again)
This should be merged with Khamsin, which is just the Egyptian name for the same wind.--عبد المؤمن (talk) 23:33, 18 April 2021 (UTC)