Talk:Snorkel

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um...now that you've redirected a perfectly good English word here, what do you suggest for snorkel, the rubber and plastic tube and mouthpiece device that one uses for remaining submerged while diving in shallow waters?
 * I would wonder whether there is enough to be said about the personal snorkel to warrent an encyclopedia article, but I would suggest a second section, perhaps even above the submarine stuff, separated by a horizontal rule, written by someone who knows something about it (i.e. not me), describing the personal snorkel. However, I would not suggest claiming that "snorkel" is an English word, 'cause it ain't.
 * What is your definition of English word? Snorkel is an English word while Schnorchel may not be.  Regardless of its origin snorkel can be found in a English dictionary, hence it is an English word.  By the same token Taoism is an English word even though it was based on a Chinese word.

The English word is snorkel, for both uses, though the German word is occasionally found in reference to the submarine use (and even there it is quite rare). --Lee Daniel Crocker

The information about U-boats seems to be a copy from http://uboat.net/technical/schnorchel.htm

P.S. 08:25, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

In the Royal Navy a submarine snorkel is called a 'snort'

I don't understand the following sentence (first paragraph): A longer tube would place the lungs in deeper water where the surrounding water pressure is higher and the lungs would be unable to inflate when the diver inhales, because the muscles that expand the lungs are not strong enough to operate against the higher pressure.

The place in the first sentence, in particular, doesn't seem to make sense, unless I'm not aware of another meaning of the word. Maybe stress would make more sense? --moritz 26-Jun-2005


 * I interpret it as follows: if the tube is longer, then the body of the person using the snorkel is positioned (or "placed") in deeper water (i.e., s/he can be further below the surface), and so his/her lungs are also positioned/placed in deeper water. Does that help? HDC 03:22, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes it does! After your explanation the sentence doesn't read as badly either, I guess I just got a wrong interpretation stuck in my brain. Thanks. --moritz 3 July 2005 17:24 (UTC)

Distracting blank spaces
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Submarine snorkels before WWI?
On you can view a technical drawing of the U1 submarine from 1906. Aren't the tubes errected over the engine compartement and bow torpedo room snorkels? They are quite a bit taller than the sail. If yes, the history needs to be rewritten. User:Alureiter 00:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Very interesting. There appear to be removable air induction masts, plus third one far aft connected to the exhaust manifold. Since these pipes are supported by guy wires, however, I doubt that they intended to run submerged, and they just served to ventilate the ship. This U-1 submarine still exists in a museum in Munich, and there is a photo of it in the German Wikipedia with the hull cut away so you can see inside the engine room. Someone capable in the german language should inquire in the German Wikipedia in the discussion section if the intention was to snorkel.Tvbanfield 02:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Vehicle snorkels
Here you can see a Leclerc with snorkels but without a tube for the commander's hatch. Since it's a western tank I changed the text accordingly. Alureiter 19:46, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Photo of USS Chicago at periscope depth
Image:USS Chicago (SSN 721) at periscope depth off Malaysia.jpg is rather misleading because as far as I know, Los Angeles class submarines, being nuclear-powered, don't actually have snorkels. However, it does illustrate the section well, even if it's not factually accurate. An actual photo of a snorkelling submarine would be ideal. --Sum0 15:54, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree that inclusion of this photo implies that Chicago is actually snorkeling. I don't think she is. But US Navy nuclear subs do have a small auxiliary diesel engine with a snorkel system for use in emergencies. It can provide propulsion at a slow speed and electrical power in case of problems with the reactor or steam plant. I'm not sure about subs of other countries, but would be happy to hear from them.Tvbanfield 03:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Move some material to amphibious vehicle
The vehicle snorkel section is growing quite large and detailed. Perhaps the bulk should be moved to amphibious vehicle, which could use it, and just a basic summary description of the snorkels remain here? —Michael Z. 2006-08-12 22:05 Z 

Aquamax Snorkel
Aquamax sells a snorkel that creates an air pocket with enclosed curves at the top of the tube. I used one for years, and I would never use anything else. It really does let the air in and keeps the water out. They are easily found and are worth the money, around $35.00. Even Wal-Mart sells them on the internet.204.80.61.10 20:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)Bennett Turk

Split
I suggest this article be split into Submarine/Vehicle snorkels and swimming snorkels. I will wait for some feedback before actually making a new page and such. RSido 01:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Split There is little in common between the two articles. Indeed, just about the only thing they share is the name.  Squigish 07:33, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Split, per nom. 222.158.162.242 10:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Suggested change
While original addressibility must be maintained, the vague original section title above was a wretched choice; I now retrofit subdivision the old content into two subsections, for the de-confoundment of future readers of this talk page.br<>--JerzyA (talk) 02:18, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

(Something related to ear-pain in subs)
The larger internal air volume of more modern submarines does not mitigate the ear pain, it just takes longer for the engines to draw down the vacuum when the head valves are closed. In US submarines, the engines were fitted with high-vacuum cut-off sensors that shutdown the engines when the vacuum in the ship reached a pre-set point. I therefore changed the sentence to explain the use of high-vacuum cut-off sensors.Tvbanfield 21:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

(Apparent request from a marketing dept for coverage of a specific brand)
Kapitol Reef Aquatics is launching a new snorkel in the market which is the only one that addresses the pressure differential problem mentioned in the definition of this word. Kadence Technology is thus creating a paradigm shift in this sport. This snorkel is very different from anything found until now in the market. The Kapitol Reef snorkel is doing for the sport of snorkeling what the company Hydrooptix is doing in the world of scuba diving. Hydrooptix masks are depicted in wikipedia because they constitute cutting edge technology in underwater optics. I believe kapitol Reef snorkel deserves a depiction and mention under the word "snorkel" for what it is doing in the realm of breathing...www.kapitolreef.com

Marco G Busquets

Why
Why is this article in the category of "amphibious vehicle"? David.j.james 08:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Move
I've moved this to Snorkel (disambiguation) and made Snorkel a redirect to Snorkelling. All the other meanings are secondary. There may also be room for a separate article on "the rubber and plastic tube and mouthpiece device that one uses for remaining submerged" (see above). Superm401 - Talk 14:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Snorkel Camera
The Kenworthy Snorkle Camera uses a periscope-like lens to enable shots it tight quarters. It was used in filming Carl Sagan's Cosmos. --Mdwyer (talk) 04:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)