Talk:Société de transport de Montréal

Montreal street rail
"Montreal abandoned the last of its streetcars in favour of buses". Wasn't Montreal largely in favour of underground metro and trolleybuses rather than boring old diesel buses?Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian)(talk)

True, but look at recent developments, as the Mayor wants to get back into Streetcars Bacl-presby 22:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't around Montreal in those days, BUT perhaps a biography of then-Mayor Jean Drapeau might tell you more...BTW, I don't think Montreal had Trolley coaches for long, unlike Toronto and Hamilton (the last two Ontario Communities that had them).. Bacl-presby 02:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Montreal used tramlines and street cars for decades. You can see the remains of the rails under Ste-Catherines street when they do roadwork, amongst other downtown streets. There's a streetcar terminus at Parc and Mont-Royal Ave. The building is intact, but its used as a bus roundabout now. The weird MacDonald/Eduoard-Laurin triple street in Ville Saint-Laurent are the remains of a northern terminus of streetcars. (there are two 2-way residential streets sandwiching a boulevard that's very short and almost totally unused by traffic, only one block south of a major East-West thoroughfare -- the boulevard used to be where tramines and streetcars were left)


 * Close. MacDonald was a Montreal Park and Island Railway right of way that connected Monklands Blvd (now Decarie) to the right of way east of what used to be Laurentian Blvd that eventually turned into Grenet St.  The 17 car used this from Snowdon Junction, then later the Garland Terminal to a terminal in Cartierville near Ranger St.  ETBs ran from 1937 to 1966.  I've not seen a list of car lines that were converted to ETBs.  Not many, I don't think, with many more going straight to gas or Diesel bsues --plaws (talk) 17:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Canada Car and Foundry buses
I lived in the Montreal area from 1965 to 1970; throughout this time, "Can Car" buses were prominent in public transport systems. It was amazing (given how quickly cars rusted out) to see the old Brills in service year after year. Some were still running in 1980. The newer Can Car buses, the TD-51s (seen in the 1964 movie The Luck of Ginger Coffey), did not seem to be so durable. They were harder to find by 1970 and I didn't see any during a 1980 visit. Tony 09:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Historial Fares
once this section is sourced and more complete, a summary of it might be interesting on the main page. At least we can document it going forward. Jethero 01:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

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Someone please fix this immage?
Peter Horn 01:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Update and populate Infobox
I started to populate the info box but we are missing important information such as the system length (to be compared with other public transit systems). Could anyone help look this up? Knightdaemon (talk) 20:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Gahh. What a mess!
It's an encyclopedia article not a catalog of every streetcar and bus that ever ran on the property! I've rearranged the sections to, you know, make sense to people. I think the trolley and bus minutiae should go in a separate article. Really. I mean, *I* know what a SE DT car is, but well over 99.9998% of the people in the world don't ... and don't care ... even if some of them are interested in the STM. --plaws (talk) 21:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I see it's been made worse of late. I'll see if I can find the time to split the fleet (Diesel, electric, or horse) into its own article.  Yeesh. --plaws (talk) 19:06, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Still is, Plaws of 2010. I just did another re-org that I'm sure someone will hate and revert.  It's about the system, not about the technology.  --plaws (talk) 17:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Achieved my lifelong dream of breaking the streetcar stuff off into its own article. Please edit Streetcars in Montreal.  --plaws (talk) 20:18, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The STM operates the third most heavily used urban mass transit system in North America
From the article: "The STM operates the third most heavily used urban mass transit system in North America, after the New York City Transit Authority, and the Mexico City Metro."

Might be factually incorrect.

The citation provided does not list Toronto Transit Commission, which is generally considered the most heavily used transit system in Canada. --67.70.38.12 (talk) 20:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I was going to update the cite with the 2012Q4 APTA numbers, but they seem wrong - only something on the order of 1.7M riders/day. I emailed APTA to find out what the deal was - no reply yet. --plaws (talk) 20:12, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The plural of "terminus"
...is "termini" or even "terminuses." See terminus. Similarly, the plural of "bus" is "buses" or "busses." Unlike in French where a word ending in 's' is invariable, in English, you must use the plural form even if it sounds a little awkward. The reason you might not be familiar with the word is because we don't typically use "terminus" in English; in this case it is a direct translation from the French. — JmaJeremy  talk contribs  03:17, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Budget section
It would be nice to include a well-researched section abour the STM budget and funding structure, but the current text is just some (anonymous) person's strong opinion. I have marked the section as NPOV. Deuxpi (talk) 21:59, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added nothing, just tried to reduce some POV.


 * First paragraph, first sentence, budget may well have increased yearly prior to 2000, that’s just where the first budget total is used. Third sentence doesn’t really make sense. How can the budget increase this much due to more maintenance being required, if only 0.9% was spent on repairing old infrastructure? Doesn’t make sense mathematically, does it?


 * Second paragraph, second line, what about government funding, and the relation between the two? Next, 353% in 27 years appears huge, but 9% in six doesn’t seem so bad, does it? And should time frames be adjusted, 25 and five would look better.


 * Economist needed. A Source Monster (talk) 15:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Officially linked?
How does “not officially” become “linked” out of the blue? Was it officially linked, or is that just POV? No sign of a source, much less any discussion, just a major change in meaning. Plus, the rest of the sentence becomes awkward.A Source Monster (talk) 11:57, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Bus section
The bus section needs fixing. Desperately. Started in 1962? Huh? Two-digit bus route numbers phased out in the 60s? (route numbers below 10 were taken by the Metro) Really a mess. I think I'll work on a table that at least indicates the new number classes.

Further, the article should, IMHO, either be solely about the STM or about public transit in Montreal. I'm thinking it should be the former, with all the historical stuff and references to other transit agencies (AMT, RTL, etc) put into a new article (assuming there isn't one already - guess I should look). --plaws (talk) 21:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I did a bunch of cleanup and re-arranging on the bus stuff. If you want to include the stuff I deleted, go look in the history and cut/paste the old stuff back in (don't revert - it's crap) and fix it.  Trying to find a list of terminals but can't find one.  There are a LOT, some of which are regional and run by AMT.  Would be nice to have a list of those that are used by STM..  --plaws (talk) 20:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Corporate timeline
Updated it with dates from STM. Anyone care to add some content about the 1951 transition from Montreal Tramways Co to Montreal Transport Commission? Was it a buy out? (meaning same corporate body) Purchase of assets? (new corporate body using assets of another) Expropriation?

And what happened in 1985? I vaguely remember that it was the MUCTCommission was "spun off" to the MUCTCorporation ... but ... why? Anyone know?

Someone should also write about the Montreal Tramways Commission that existed starting in at least 1918 and seemed to have some sort of regulatory control over the Tramways Co. --plaws (talk) 20:36, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposal: Reorganize to take out all non-STM information and ...
Why? Because this article should be about the STM as it is today. Historical context is important (and fun!) but it doesn't all need to be here.

I propose stripping out anything that isn't about STM today to streamline this article. I propose a new article, perhaps Public Transportation in Montreal, that would have sections on STM, RTL, STL, AMT, and probably the CITs as well, with links to each of the existing articles.

The hierarchy would be something like:


 * Public Transportation in Montreal (or whatever name)
 * AMT
 * STM
 * Montreal Metro
 * STL
 * RTL
 * CITs
 * Streetcars in Montreal
 * et cetera

... the idea being that someone looking for information on public transit in Montreal would end up at that top page and then find out that there are multiple providers depending on where one is rather than ending up at the STM page and not really realizing that there is more to the puzzle.

Who's with me?? :-) --plaws (talk) 16:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, although I would suggest expanding the public transit section of Transportation in Montreal with the split information rather than creating a new article.--MTLskyline (talk) 22:51, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm. That might work.  I'll have to give that article a look and see what needs to be done.  Thanks for the tip - apparently I didn't search with enough keywords! --plaws (talk) 21:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Good call. I've started editing it - thanks! --plaws (talk) 14:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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Name of this outfit
Does this company have an English name, and, if so, why isn't it used? Thanks. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:30, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

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