Talk:Social care in England

Neutrality concern
This whole article feels like a case against the current governance and the social care system in general. I'm not denying they have a bad rep, God knows I hold them responsible for a number of shoddy operations regarding me as a child and young adult, but that's not an excuse to write an entire article that reads as if it's an accusatory document.

Instead, a section for controversy should be created wherein the problems with funding, operations, untrained staff and more can be briefly covered. Wikipedia is not a soapbox for political change.

82.25.205.231 (talk) 13:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

There is a wideespread belief that there are problems with social care. Many Conservatives are urging the government to do more too. Proxima Centauri (talk) 16:20, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Untitled
this page is describing the social care system and organisations that constitute this in the UK. It is not promoting any one organisation and is intended as a UK equivalent to the page on social work. I therefore do not think it is a candidate for speedy deletion. Please can you confirm that it can remain or advise on changes? Thanks SocialCare (talk) 13:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: No move. The consensus is that the current title more correctly reflects the content. Cúchullain t/ c 12:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Social care in England → Social care in the United Kingdom – This article was moved from social care in the United Kingdom for a 2nd time without any discussion by the same user. This article is not only about England and should be moved back, and then a new article created for social care in England. Relisting Andrewa (talk) 00:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC) Tim! (talk) 21:44, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know, it feels like this article is in fact primarily about England, and not the other nations of the UK. I’d recommend keeping it here, and fixing any discrepancies that may exist.  RGloucester  (talk) 19:21, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support The proposed name is more accurate; it's clearly about programs supervised by the UK government. I wouldn't recommend creation of a separate article for England, however—not unless this article got large enough to merit a split, or if there were enough to say separately about social care in Scotland, Wales, and/or NI. --BDD (talk) 19:50, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The UK government doesn't control social care in Scotland, N.I. or Wales. The UK government only legislates on such matters for England. See this article. RGloucester  (talk) 01:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Just because a programme is "supervised by the UK government" does not mean that it covers the UK. In fact, it very rarely does. That is one of the most difficult things for people unfamiliar with the (very complex) UK constitution to get their heads around, but Wikipedia must never dumb-down. Our job is to enlighten the unenlightened. And there is plenty "to say separately about social care in Scotland, Wales, and/or NI", its just that no editor, until recently, has made the slightest attempt to say it.--Mais oui! (talk) 04:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Relisting. The article has previously been expanded to cover all of the UK, so unless there's another article that covers the other parts of the UK I'm inclined to say move it back. We can then consider a split, but better to have the history at the more general article. There seem to have been several undiscussed moves, both ways, and several revisions of the scope to match, with a similar lack of discussion. But hopefully we'll now address all of this. Andrewa (talk) 00:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose - contrary to the statement above by Andrewa, this article (in common with many so-called "UK" articles) has never covered the topic on a UK-wide basis. The kernal of that article is now, correctly, here, whereas this article covers the English system, which it always has done. Wikipedia must reflect the real world, per official policy WP:VERIFY. And the real world is often an uncomfortably messy place, especially for British nationalists, who, in their Wikipedia activities, try to go about misrepresenting England as being the entire United Kingdom. Sad, but true. Anybody who cares a jot for encyclopaedic principles and integrity must acknowledge that the title of an article must match its content, which is now true of this article. --Mais oui! (talk) 04:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - this article is clearly about Social Care in England and not about Social Care in the United Kingdom. The only factors that could possibly give the impression that it deals with the latter are the references to the UK government but as has been pointed out above, the UK government is responsible for Social Care in England as England dos not have its own legislative body like the other countries in the UK. All this article requires is a little clarification early on that the UK government is responsible for Social Care in England and this article is fine as it is, and appropriately named. Regards Fishiehelper2 (talk) 09:31, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Covid-19 impact
I would suggest a page edit to include the effects the Coronavirus pandemic has had on Adult Social Care. This would highlight both the positives and negatives of policy making in relation to vulnerable people and a current global pandemic. By doing so, it would be easier for readers to know what should be done if another pandemic was to occur given the high likelihood related to lifestyle choices along with easy access to international travel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhatPotato98 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 5 February 2021 (UTC)