Talk:Songs from Les Misérables

Merge sources
Note that this includes content merged from the following articles. See them for GFDL attribution and history:

- DES (talk) 03:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

See also the AfD discussion which ended in a decision to merge. - Fayenatic (talk) 22:16, 8 August 2007

Bad edit needs fixing
I'm not experienced enough in editing Wikipedia to fix this one myself. The revision as of 16:28, 19 April 2012, is a bad edit to the title of the version comparisons. Take a look at the heading. --86.132.94.195 (talk) 20:52, 13 May 2012 (UTC) The ending chart is horrible. It states that the entire first act was never ever performed anywhere. Please fix it. It is on the current edit of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.75.129 (talk) 17:58, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe I've fixed it, I found the edit where it all went horribly wrong and just reverted it to the edit before. Any honest edits since then will need to be redone.86.31.34.21 (talk) 20:37, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Other songs
This should be divided into different categories. The most famous songs are "I Dreamed a Dream" and "On My Own" so their should be indivual categories for them Several songs that did not have separte articels are not currently included here. DES (talk) 03:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Give people a chance to write them Jonathan Gr (talk) 12:17, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

In the Original French Version there is a song called "Marius et Monsieur Gillenormand" that occurs between "La Mort de Gavroche" and "Le Mariage,'Soyez Heureux'". This article makes no mention of this song, though it is, admittedly, a very rare one. --Jln Dlphk (talk) 21:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

It might make sense to ahve an additional section about the French Concept version and the first English version from Barbican theatre (which is in some points quite different). Opinions, anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.181.110.44 (talk) 12:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Original Research
Almost the entire content of this page is original research - i.e. much of it is opinion, not fact. Much of the fact is not referenced. The article needs to be FULLY referenced and made complete or deleted. It's a bit of a self-indulgent list - how many other musicals/operas etc have an article on their songs? 137.205.31.143 (talk) 23:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. I agree that the article could probably use some work, but unfortunately I'm not very familiar with Les Miz or its songs (or this article, for that matter). Hopefully someone more familiar with the work will come along and clean things up a bit, but in the meantime you're welcome to work on the article yourself. Cheers! — MearsMan  talk  01:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. I agree this is a noteworthy article. Les Miserables is a film that is much discussed. Thunderstruck45 (talk) 13:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Les Miserables is not a film and the fact that is it much discussed doesn't warant a poor-quality article filled with original research and no referenced fact. Milady (talk) 23:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There's one error I noticed in the 'Bring Him Home' section. I've seen the sheet music in the original key (from 'The Singer's Musical Theatre Anthology,' which always prints the songs in the original keys and time signatures unless otherwise noted), and the song ends on an A, not a C. I don't believe Valjean goes up to a C anywhere in the show. Highest note, to my knowledge, is a B in 'Who Am I.' Also, in the "Javert's Suicide" section, it compares the vocal ranges between Javert and Valjean, referring to Valjean as a 'high tenor' and Javert as a 'mid-range baritone.' I'd be hesitant to refer to Javert as such. He's widely considered a baritone, yes, but he has that low F in "The Confrontation." His range can be classified as a bass-baritone. Indeed, I find his range is exactly the same as Wotan in 'Die Walkure' and Hagen in 'Gotterdamerung.' The former is considered a bass-baritone and the latter a bass. Granted, comparing musical theatre to Wagner is rather ridiculous... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.152.162.205 (talk) 22:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree - This article is in an abysmal state re: WP:OR and badly lacks citations. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a text book. Some major pruning is required. --Triwbe (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I completely disagree that Javert should be classifies as a bass baritone. Yes in terms of operatic ranges, hitting a low F would require at least a Bass baritone for consistent castings. IF you listen to recordings you will notice Jarvert's voice is not noticeably deep and bassy, compared to average males. The aid of microphones used by these singers allow for them to hit notes not used in opera. At least the roles I have seen have hit the low F weakly, and with baritone characteristics in the voice.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.232.117.33 (talk) 05:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem is, how do you reference stuff like this? I agree with you all, but I just tried to find some references, but the only thing you can reference is the musical itself. Like, if anybody asks the proof for what is written in this article, the only thing you can answer is: "Listen to the musical". Though I actually like this article, I'm not sure whether it makes sense to have it. People who know Les Misérables will hardly need it and people who don't know it most likely won't spoil the musical for themselves by reading a detailed description of each song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.207.12.146 (talk) 11:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

There is no problem, if you cannot find such references, because it is "opinion" then it probably does not belong in an encyclopedia and should be removed. Subjective analysis of any work of art (with the possible exception of works by Shakespeare or Mozart and the like) are better left elsewhere. There is no need to delete this article, but the analysis (original research) must go. --Triwbe (talk) 11:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I found this pile of **** and have trimmed it of much of the analysis and retelling of the WP:PLOT that does not belong in Wikipedia. See Manual of Style (writing about fiction). Wikipedia is not the place for any person or group of editors to write their own analysis of anything. Only verifiable facts or analysis by recognised experts is acceptable, I will be watching and any additon of more materail that violates wikipedia's policies will be removed. --81.96.174.119 (talk) 08:27, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that this article needs some attention. The intro should not be longer than 4 paragraphs and should just be used as a summary of what the article is going to discuss. At this point it lists every song and olny uses the bulk to go into detail. I will begin to clean up. happy to have some help thru. maybe a wiki table of the songs for a cleaner more professional look B.s.n.   (R.N.)   08:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

French song titles
Firstly not all of the translations of the titles are correct, but, more importantly, please can someone remove the "1991...Revival" - it was not a revival of the orignal production - the 1991 version was a completely different show with an entirely different script and only a handful of the original lyrics remaining.

Additionally - if you're going to show the 1991 French songtitles, please show all of the songtitles (for completeness sakes) from the various German, Hebrew, Estonian, Dutch, Russian...etc etc etc productions worldwide. If this article is to be a crufty list of what is basically trivia and not hardened fact, at least make it complete! Milady (talk) 02:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The reason that the French song titles are shown and not the other international titles is because the French and the English ones have recordings which have world renown and are purchasable on websites such as The ITunes Store and Amazon.com, while the others don't have such world renown or easy access.--Jln Dlphk (talk) 02:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Just a word about the "Paris Revival": While you're correct that this is incorrect, it has been established as the name for the French version staged in 1991-92 and the recording made from it. This is unfortunately a convention that you won't manage to change through a wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.181.110.44 (talk) 12:14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

@Milady: There was never a Russian version of Les Misérables and if you manage to find out the Estonian song titles, I would be very impressed...

@Milady again: The musical is set in France, it was originally by French composers, the book is from a French author... There is just a slightly more valid reason to have the French titles rather than all the others. But since this is an article entirely about the songs, it might be an idea to have table at the end with all availible translations of the song titles. Not to include them in those small descriptions, though. What do you think? Also, this would a last be facts... Jonathan Gr (talk) 12:24, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

10th Anniversay edition of DYHPS
After listening for a while I realized that the lyrics were not simply a extraction of the main "do you hear the people sing" song. The song was a mash up of "do you hear the people sing" the "finale" and "one day more". If anyone is kind enough to help, I would like to find out what they were singing exactly so I can make a lyrics sheet for it and I can't understand all those languages.GETTA GET (talk) 19:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That song was the combination of a number of songs starting from A heart full of love to finally one day more. Thru this is not a forum of the show but a place for discussion to help make the article better. thanks B.s.n.   (R.N.)   08:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Character list
Does anybody think it would make sense to have a complete character list here? Of course, minor characters wouldn't need a description, just a mention. Opinions, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.181.110.44 (talk) 12:18, 1 March 2010


 * The existing list of main characters with solos & duets is fine for this article. - Fayenatic (talk) 21:56, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Production
I am not sure if this is the correct page to place this on, but it would be good if we could add a page/section about the sound design of the synths in les mis. This forms a significant influence on the ambience of the show overall, and ought to be documented somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.16.110 (talk) 01:34, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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