Talk:Soprillo

Redirect
I added a redirect to Soprillo at Soprillo saxophone, but I was wondering if perhaps this article would be better placed in its entirety at Soprillo saxophone with the redirect here? ~Dramaticbassx


 * The redirect is a good idea, though I have never heard anyone refer to the instrument as "soprillo saxophone" or "soprillo sax," just "soprillo." Do you know something I don't?  Badagnani 18:57, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I and some of my friends sometimes refer to it as a "soprillo sax," though that doesn't really justify anything. However, Eppelsheim's website refers to it both as just "Soprillo" and "Soprillo Bb piccolo saxophone." It appears that either is correct. ChaosMaster (talk) 18:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Picture
I can't see the picture of soprillo sax. Could anybody complement the picture? thx Skalpik 88.100.153.206 20:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Year of creation
What year was it created/released? Badagnani 05:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Capitalized name
I think Soprillo is probably a registered trademark of Benedikt Eppelsheim Blasinstrumente GMBH. Therefore I have changed it to be capitalized throughout the article. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaxTeacher (talk • contribs)

Upper register
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 * "and its upper register extends to a fifth above the sopranino saxophone"

If incorrect, please include substitute wording (perhaps compare its register to the soprano rather than the more unfamiliar sopranino). Badagnani 03:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought that was covered by the two statements that: 1. it's an octave above soprano, 2. but keywork only goes to Eb, not F. - Special-T (talk) 13:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Range
Surely the range shown in the graphic (starting at B-flat3) is an octave too low? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.230.72.70 (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Badagnani (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Move
I moved this from soprillo to Sopranissimo saxophone because it appears that soprillo is just it's commercial name.username 1 (talk) 05:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Invention date
Who invented this? I have found no evidence or indication that Adolphe Sax did. Shiggity (talk) 21:43, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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Name
Does anyone really call this instrument anything other than either the "soprillo", or the "piccolo saxophone"? I've had a lot of trouble tracking down where the term "sopranissimo" came from in this context, that isn't connected to this Wikipedia article (renamed in 2009), and saxophonists I know who know of its existence (here in NZ) call it the soprillo. Eppelsheim is still its only maker as far as I am aware. Happy to be disproven/enlightened, but I think we should rename this article appropriately. — Jon (talk) 06:41, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the point is that "Soprillo" is Eppelsheim's brand name for this instrument. A name that would be consistent with other instrument names would be "Sopranissimo". - Special-T (talk) 14:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Special-T asserting what it ought to be called is beside the point: nobody actually calls it the sopranissimo, all evidence I can find is that somebody just asserted that name here 15-20 years ago and it stuck. It's either a soprillo or a piccolo saxophone. Piccolo is also just as consistent, if not more, c.f. piccolo (flute), piccolo trumpet, piccolo trombone, piccolo oboe, etc. — Jon (talk) 20:52, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Agreed - I'm not advocating for "sopranissimo", just pointing out why there might be some legitimacy to that designation. "Piccolo" would be (AFAIK) equally tradition-consistent. Plus, "tradition-consistent" might not be that important (although I think it's helpful for clarity's sake). - Special-T (talk) 21:35, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Since April 2023, I have not been able to find any reliable sources that refer to this instrument as sopranissimo, that aren't also WP:CIRCULAR references that point here, where it was arbitrarily renamed from soprillo in 2009. In what little material I can find, it is either simply called the soprillo or occasionally piccolo saxophone. Eppelsheim on his website calls it a B♭-Piccolo-Saxophon, which is straight from the horse's mouth; CD liner notes by Nigel Wood (Soprillogy) and Vinny Golia (and Cook & Morton's 2006 Penguin Guide entry on the same) call it the soprillo. There is not (yet) any mention of the soprillo, or more generally the piccolo-size of saxophone (or even the word "sopranissimo") in the Grove Dictionary of Instruments (2014), or anywhere else in Grove/OMO, or even the German language MGG Online. Cottrell does not mention the tubax or soprillo in The Saxophone (Yale Instruments series, 2012), which is a curious omission. Of the 11 Wikipedia articles in other languages linked to the Q163026 Wikidata item, Czech uses "sopranissimový saxofon", Italian uses "sassofono sopranissimo", French uses "saxophone piccolo", the rest use "soprillo". In light of this, and unless there's something obvious I've missed, I think we should consider a move proposal to move this article either back to soprillo, or perhaps piccolo saxophone if we want to capture the more general idea of a ninth teeny-tiny size/class of saxophone. — Jon (talk) 05:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * On one hand, I found one printed source, Music: The Definitive Visual History (DK, 2013) which uses the term sopranissimo. On the other, I've done some more reading of guidelines (particularly WP:CRITERIA, WP:NCM) and it's clear the article title needs to be the most common name for the thing (which is pretty clearly "Soprillo") with categorised redirects for synonyms (piccolo saxophone and sopranissimo saxophone). I suppose once someone else starts manufacturing one, and calls it something else, we can burn that bridge when we get to it and figure out what the size class of saxophone is really called then (although we already have Eppelsheim calling it a piccolo saxophone). — Jon (talk) 20:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC)