Talk:Soviet Air Forces

Some dates
Folks, i'm pretty unsure that it is a good idea to include events like "1st Sept 1981" to the common list.

Where is it better than any other incidents? Just because of it was the last one involving the Soviet Air Force? There are too much data/speculations on that KAL007 flight to make any mention a flamogenerator. --jno 11:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Please check your facts before editing
Some sweeping assertions included in the extant text are unsupported by historical sources, for which there is an ample supply. Please make an effort to check your facts before posting them and please cite a reputable source at the same time (so some other poor editor doesn't later have to try to figure out where you got it).

I don't have the time to fix this right now, but the assertion "The main reason of the great number of aircraft lost was the lack of modern tactics, ..." is quite wrong on several grounds. While Soviet training levels at the time were generally not up-to-date, this was only one contributing factor and far from the most important. (After all, many aircraft were destroyed on the ground, so tactical expertise played no real role in those losses.) Askari Mark | Talk 21:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

It may be a good idea to also provide some context for the term "VVS," as while reading through this article acronym is used multiple times without reference to the title section, containing information which would give some context as to what VVS actually is. Ldavidson1 (talk) 00:28, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Dubious Aircraft numbers
In the inventory it says that there was 150 Tu-95 aircraft, while on the Tu-95 page it says more than 500 aircraft were produced...--Ilya1166 05:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And were they all in service at the same time? The As and Bs were out of service quite a while ago; plus some were flying with AV-MF. Secondly, unless there's a really good source at the Tu-95 page, you can't use Wikipedia itself as a source.... Buckshot06 07:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Confirmation source required
I came across these numbers for VVS c.1977 but lack a single good source to confirm the numbers. Soviet Military Districts Leningrad (150) Baltic (300) Byelorussian (300) Moscow (200) Carpathian (350) Odessa (250) Kiev (100) North Caucasus (0) Trans-Caucasus (300) Volga (?) Ural (?) Turkistan (150) Central Asian (?) Siberian (?) Trans-Baikal (?) Far Eastern (?)

Eastern European Districts Group of Soviet Forces in Germany 975 Northern Group of Forces (Poland) 350 Central Group of Forces (Czechoslovakia) 100 Southern Group of Forces (Hungary) 275 --mrg3105mrg3105 If you're not taking any flack, you're not over the target. 08:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Numbers of what, Mrg? aircraft? and if so, of what types? Seems strange to have 0 in the NCMD. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

New structure for the article
I would like to propose that the article be restructured as follows:


 * 1 Red Air Force History
 * 1.1 Russian Civil War
 * 1.2 Stalin's "eagles"
 * 1.3 Birth of the VDV
 * 1.4 Purges
 * 1.5 Great Patriotic War (include conflicts with the Japanese, and Finland) (separate article)

Red Air Force during the Great Patriotic War
 * 1.1 The Scope of the War
 * 1.2 The Polish Campaign
 * 1.3 The Finnish Campaigns
 * 1.4 1st period of GPW
 * 1.5 2nd Period of GPW
 * 1.6 3rd Period of GPW
 * 1.7 The Manchurian Campaign
 * 1.6 The Soviet Air Force (separate article for Cold War)
 * 1.7 The Korean War
 * 1.8 Forces of PVO
 * 1.9 The Vietnam War
 * 1.10 Foreign military assistance
 * 1.11 The limited contingent in Afghanistan
 * 1.12 Transition from Soviet Army to Armed forces of the Russian Federation and former Soviet republics in a separate article


 * 2 Military doctrine (as a process of learning from history)
 * 2.1 Deep Operations
 * 2.2 Operational Manoeuvre Groups
 * 2.3 Deep strikes
 * 2.4 Strategic Air Force


 * 3 Organization (organising for the doctrines)
 * 3.1 Higher command structure
 * 3.2 Administrative structure and Rear Services
 * 3.3 Arms of Service, Service Corps and command establishments
 * 3.4 Peace and Wartime field structures (links to articles on organisation of formations and units)
 * 3.5 Post-GPW changes
 * 3.6 Post-Stalin changes
 * 3.7 "Nuclear battlefield" impact


 * 4 Personnel (developing the personnel to execute the doctrines)
 * 4.1 Ranks and titles
 * 4.2 General Staff
 * 4.3 Military education
 * 4.4 Manpower and enlisted men
 * 4.5 Air Force culture


 * 5 Weapons and equipment (developing the equipment for the personnel)
 * (Links to equipment articles by Arm of Service)
 * 5.1 Frontal Aviation
 * 5.2 Strategic Aviation
 * 5.3 Airborne Troops
 * 5.4 Rear Services troops


 * 6 Notes
 * 7 References

Comments?--mrg3105 (comms) ♠ ♥ ♦ ♣ 00:51, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Article title... "Soviet Air Forces" or "Soviet Air Force"?
Should "Soviet Air Forces" or "Soviet Air Force" be used as the title? To my ear, "Soviet Air Force" is better and it would match with the current lead. There's probably an official way that it should be translated. Jason Quinn (talk) 16:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

External links modified
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Forgot to add an edit summary.
Added the roundels shown in Russian wikipedia, hope it turned out fine. Leonard LMT (talk) 23:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)