Talk:Spain national football team/Archive 1

Current squad
New squad announce for friendly against ARG and EURO qualifiers. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/26082010/2/soccer-spain-squad-euro-2012-qualifier-argentina-friendly.html. Pleasae update the data respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.248.192.22 (talk) 11:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

"Crap"
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume the "They were 'to'(sic) crap to qualify" drivel on the 1974 WC qualifier is yet another nazi-provincial diatribe, doubtless the work of some 14 year old wikipedist.

I'll be changing it to "Did not qualify". --66.25.116.41 05:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Projected starting line-up
Where's Raul? ChrisTheDude 13:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Ask Aragones that question, he will say "No place for Raul, because he is bigger than me and I hate him" 83.100.155.229 (talk) 03:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Centralism
The delete of the autonomous flags is a demostration of the centralism (close to fascism) that unfortunately we can find usually in the current Spain.

Let me guess, you're either a Basque or a Catalan with your tales of Franco's oppression on your 'nation'. Until Cataluna or Pais Vasco become autonomous, only then will we start to use the respective flags.82.69.40.37

Stop vandalizing the team please
The rest of the squads don't have flags next to the players showing their village/city/region. It looks confusing. Please stop vandalizing the wikipedia to fulfill your political interests. You are accusing of fascism to all the wikipedists who created all the rest of the teams (yes there are different regions on other countries too).

Unitary Spain
I will not continue this absurd "flag war". However, your comentary is not correct because I didn't accuse all the wikipedist who created the rest of teams to be fascist. I only made a mention to the closer links between the fascism and the unitary vision of Spain. If you are not agree with this links, read a history book. Furthermore, I don't understand the reason why the plurinational reality of Spain supposes a problem for people like you. I remember you that the infamous Spanish empire ended on 1898.

Unitary Spain: Reply
Well I just saw you actually didn't stop with the flag war, just focused on a different place to try to sneak it in. You changed the nationality flag of F.C. Barcelona from Spain to Catalunya, which is plain ridiculous. Your comment above shows your hate against Spain, so maybe you are not the most indicated person to edit this entry. Please stop vandalizing the wikipedia, you can focus on ca.wikipedia.org and improve it, instead of altering this one for your political purposes. futball.com window fart.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.20.212.47 (talk) 23:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Support for the Flags
Not to beat a dead horse, but the deletion of the flags does show a cultural insensitivity towards Spain as a whole. Yes other teams don't have it, but that's because the national identity in Spain is different from most other countries.
 * I support the flags too. Spain is a multicultural country and persons having a unitary vision of it are related to right wing/religious catholic ideologies and in the extreme, fascism (Franco's 40 years regime has done much damage). On the contrary, by having the flags you will have a neutral/liberal POV which is prefered and wikipedia compatible.
 * I don't support the flags. And seeing the comments here to me is obvious that comes from people who hate Spain and just want to mock the team (putting argentinian and brazilian flags where there is double nationality). Also one time the catalan flag had the caption "catalan countries", which is false and a political attempt. This is sport guys try to understand.
 * I don't support the flags either. It's used as a political instrument by independentists. This is sport, no politics, thanks.
 * I don't promote independentism nor want to be involved in politics but you have to realize that Spain is a multicultural country and that a culture genocide has occured in the XX th century that is in the process of being repaired, despite attempts from conservatives to avoid it. Spain is NOT a unitary centralized country as some want to make it appear, and before you say it I am not Catalan, nor Basque neither an independentist, I just defend plurality. MABarracus
 * I don't support right wing views, in fact I usually vote for IU and PSOE, but you must understand that the imposing of such forementioned flags everywhere is related to independentism and terrorism which caused many deaths (more than 1 thousand) and keeps killing people nowadays. You should start worrying about bigger problems that we have in our society instead of your holy land flags which are more important than people lives for some people. So you must understand that even if I'm not from Madrid or other centralist community, it ofends me the imposing of such flags everywhere. Andreu.
 * After that thinking relating multicultural views to terrorism you lost all kind of credibility. Thanks MABarracus
 * Well all of you guys who related Franco and right wing views with this issue lost all credibility days ago. I just played the same game. You're welcome. Andreu
 * So, what is bad about having flags? More than not having the flags, what offend us more is that some people want to delete them just for the hell of it. You didn't even mention a reason why you want them out other than independentism, which is laughable.
 * The flags are confusing, they don't mean anything to the average english reader. Also, it's a different schema than the other world cup squads. They have been removed previously by no-spanish users: Philc 0780 who stated removed irrelavent flags, maybe they're relevant to the players, but not to the national team (on his user page I see he is English, so probably not a Franco supporter). Then the user 172.188.211.38 (the IP is american) removed them again stating: Flags next to players are confusing and different schema from the rest of squads.. Also the flags where put on the first place by Icemanofbarcelona101, if you go to his user page, you will see that he has been accused many times of vandalism. The users inserting the flags haven't done any contributions to the wikipedia, they are focused on the flags, that makes me think is the same user with many different accounts. It also makes me think they don't want to improve the wikipedia, just want to use it as propaganda.
 * The users removing the flags have done many contributions to the wikipedia, they seem to be genuine users. So these are my reasons to vote to remove the flags, as you can see they are a no-political reason. Now please tell me your reason to put the flags (a reason to improve the wikipedia and no-political reason). Miguel.
 * If I "hated Spain" as someone implied why would I care so much about the multiple identities that are a large part of the Spanish culture? And why would I support the Spanish national team in the first place? None of the arguments against the flags are very convincing, "the other teams don't do it" isn't enough. Xath 04:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I will not post anymore since it's useless to argue with individuals that would like to command and make their interlocutors to shut up, as 'others' did in the past. Just a note for non Spanish users who don't know the situation in the country: traditionally ruling class of right wingers, pan-hispanics and Catholicists (winning party of Civil War) are getting upset since in recent times liberals gropus, not religious, regionalists/nationalists (Catalonian, Basques...) and moderate left groups are rising in influence and dismantling the stablished system of united, conservative and Catholic Spain they had fabricated and maintained. Though that's the real situation, they will deny it as always. And one last thing, mixing politics with soccer is bad, but inevitable in this country. Peace. MABarracus
 * Is it true that is not good to merge politics with sports, but take into accounte that the name of the spanish team "Spain National Team" is a political topic because it denies the plurinational reality of Spain. Otherwise, I'm agree with you that is useless to argue with individuals that consider vandalism any sentence which they are not agree. Mcasas

Flags added
I added the flags again because is it clear that a in this discussion page there are more people agree with the flags (3) than against it (1). In order to respect the neutral pont of view of wikipedia I ask you Wikifrikiuser in order to find and agreement. But I remeber you two things: First, the showing of autonomous flags can not be considered vandalism because the majority of interventions are agree with this showing. Second, if you don't try to find an agreement with this topic, the deletion of flags can be considered vandalism because most of the users are agree with the showing.
 * To me it's not clear that most people agree with the flags as you say. Two different people removed the flags before me, so I count them, and now there is another comment agreeing with me, so there are 4 against 3. Even if this was not the case, if you want to change the scheme that the rest of the other squads use, we will need a votation, a proper votation, and leave it some time to finish. Finally, accusing of fascism to other wikipedians goes against the pilars of the wikipedia (read the rules), and all the comments supporting the flags did this. I will report this whole discussion to administrators if there is a problem. So I consider introducing the flags which is confusing and different to all the rest of the squads vandalism. Please stop doing so. Wikifrikiuser 18:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreement needed
Acording to you, Wikifrikiuser, is vandalism all what you don't like. In any case, is it clear that the current version of the page doesn't respect the neutral point of view. Report the whole discussion to the administrators, if you want. However is et clear that is necessary an agreement that respects your centralist point of view and my federalist point of view. Mcasas
 * This is what it has to be done: Resolving_disputes. Anyway to me a neutral point of view could be an external (not spanish) user, and foreign users have repeatedly deleted the flags because they don't mean anything to them. Such flags make sense on the spanish wikipedia, but they don't make any sense on the english wikipedia. That's the reason why I delete them, not because I'm centralist or fascist or Franco supporter, or religious, or other wonderful things that have been said here. When people lack of reasons to argue is when they start insulting, and that's what happened here. This entry is about a sport, football, and the national team for that sport. Modifications to reflect politic status or desires don't belong here. Also I would like to point that I used the term Vandalism because these modifications started by the user Icemanofbarcelona101, and as you can see on his talk page, has been accused repeatedly of Vandalism. In fact he has been creating new accounts as you can read from that page, and probably some of the replies on this talk page are from him (with a new account). Anyway I would like to see the opinion of a non spanish wikipedia user about this.Wikifrikiuser 22:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The thing is...
 * Flags out: neutral to non Spanish viewers because flags don't mean anything to them, BUT NOT neutral to a large part of Spanish viewers because it shows a false, fabricated unicultural vision of Spain, the unitary vision of Spain is a right wing view and a clear residue of Franco's cultural genocide between 1939 and 1975, as much as Wikifrikiuser tries to obviate it.
 * Flags in: it represents a point of view that will not mind non Spanish users as they don't know what they are, and it represents a neutral and real multicultural point of view for Spanish viewers, not a biased and fabricated one as what some people here are trying to impose.
 * Conclusion: Flags in shouldn't offend anyone because it's the real thing, flags out offend as it's a lack of respect and authoritarism for supressing the reality MABarracus
 * I'm agree with MABarracus, the autonomous flags respect the wikipedia's neutral point of view and only extrem right people could be offended by it. In conclusion, I propose to show the flags again. Mcasas
 * It's funny how you see the things black or white: Flags out = false...fabricated...unicultural...unitary...right wing...Franco...genocide and Flags in = neutral..real..multicultural..real thing. Some of us here are trying to show common sense reasons to put or delete the flags, your childish reasons take us nowhere. Anyway if you want to go that path... The only people who can be affected by the removing of the flags are the independentist people, who account to around 30% of Catalonia and 50% of Basque Country. The populations are 7 million and 2 million, OK even if 100% of the whole regions were independentists, that would be 9 million people, the population of Spain is 44 million, so I think that the people affected by the removal of the flags are a minority. Then of course we have the 6 thousand millions (6 billions for americans) of people who don't care about your flags, so again you are a ridiculous minority. By the way, I checked the spanish wikipedia, and noone put the flags on the national team there, I wonder why... (it makes much more sense there than here). Anyway from the beginning I tried to stay away from politics, and the reasons for deleting the flags are not political as we have explained before (they don't mean anything and are confusing). Also someone pointed out up in this page that mainly the people inserting the flags have the vandal profile (newly created users without any other contributions to the wikipedia) which is highly suspicious. Wikifrikiuser 19:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Wikifrikiuser, you guys are showing childish reasons, this is not the way to discuss the issue. You should read about Godwin's Law (it can be applied in Spain changing Hitler for Franco). Your "sensitivities" are shared only by a very small amount of people in Spain, you are in fact, a minority. This is all inspired by political purposes, as a Catalan I see this everyday and I'm sick of it. Please keep separated politics and sports (I also hate when they mix Barça with politics). So my vote goes to delete the flags. And to make it clear I'm the farthest thing from right wing, I'm just using common sense. Andreu
 * What harm do the flags do exactly? You might be sick of Catalan seperatism but not including the flags offends more people than including them does. The amount of people in Spain with regional identities is growing everyday, it's not about destroying Spain, it's about restoring cultural identities that were supressed by years of Castillian dominance.  These multiple identities are what make modern Spain so great, and ignoring them just so this article conforms to others like it is not enough of a reason.  Bring back the flags. Xath 04:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I give up, I have argued with fachas before and it leads nowhere. Have fun. MABarracus
 * (Replying to Xath). It's nice to see for the first time a comment without insults coming from you guys. To be honest, the first time I saw the flags, I thought they were cool (I'm also from a historic nationality). But, then I saw that some english reader had deleted them. And then I realized there was a problem with Senna and Pernía (brazilian and argentinian flags): first they have double nationality, so we should show both flags, in fact only the spanish one because it's their chosen nationality for playing matches (you can only choose one). But, if we are using autonomous communities flags, what do we do then? The way the flags were before, were mixing real countries (Argentina and Brazil) with the communities, this for a foreign reader is very confusing. Second, I realized the flags were used by independentists to show "Catalan countries" when you passed the mouse over the flag. And finally, on the historic logs I saw that the users putting the flags back on had the vandal profile. So, even if I liked the flags the first time I saw them, I decided that it was better for the wikipedia to remove them. Then all the accusations of fascism, etc. came. As a final point, being an antifacha myself, with many relatives killed by Franco, I found the comments highly offensive.Wikifrikiuser 08:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I asked you several days ago, Wikifrikiuser, in order to find and agreement. Your only answer has been "You are insulting me". I repeat that I only tried to show the historical links between Spanish centralism and left-wing francoist. These links are showed in all the historical books you can read. I don't say that you are a Francoist because we are not discussing about your ideology. I repeat you: How can we find a neutral point of view? Mcasas

Top Spain goalscorers
David Villa is mentioned twice on the list (15 and 16 goals). Someone should find the correct amount of goals and fix this. The list should also be updated. Now it says the stats are dated to May 31. -- 80.221.34.91 (talk) 21:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

National team badge
Someone uploaded the national team badge to commons earlier today. The image has been deleted from commons as copyvio, but it can be used on the english wikipedia under fair-use. I was looking for that badge a few days ago, but couldn't find it. Could someone please upload (re-upload) the badge, since the current article uses the federation logo instead. Cheers. Ban Ray  21:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Where is the 3rd goalkeeper?
Hi! I'm spanish and I don't see José Manuel "Pepe" Reina (31 August 1982), player of Liverpool FC, who is, in fact, the second goalkeeper (Palop is the third one) and wears the number 23. Please, can anyone change the table of Current squad? (I don't know how to) Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.7.56.157 (talk) 22:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Notable players
There needs to be some kind of criteria laid down for inclusion in this section otherwise it's original research. There's also the strong possibility of arguments regarding whether someone's favourite player is notable enough or not. Dancarney (talk) 08:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Current Team Coach
Why is Vicente del Bosque listed as the current team coach? To my knowledge there hasn't been any announcement that he will replace Luis Aragones, only speculation. Also, Aragones hasn't officially stepped down yet, he's only announce his intentions to step down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.67.2 (talk) 11:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

He will be presented as the new coach on July 10th, 2008. Luis Aragonés already signed for turkish team Fenerbahçe.

BTW, why this page doesn't show ten most capped players as almost every other national team here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.209.167.213 (talk) 21:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Red Cross symbol
I don't want to appear to be ignorant, but why do several players on the list of recent call-ups have the Red Cross symbol next to their names? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.67.132 (talk) 01:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * They mean that the player is injured but I don't really see how that's relevant. I've removed them. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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High risk of vandalism
This article should be more thoroughly watched. This edit stayed in the article for over a month! The talk of rent boys, homosexuality and Islam in the first section of the article should have been a plain give away. Can editors please keep a close eye on the article's history from now on. Thank you. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 02:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, today I had to undo vandalism. This page should be semi-protected User:Alakbaroff, 17 April 2009(UTC)

Now talks about South Korea not spain, the last link to spain goes tyo Korea —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.7.165.94 (talk) 17:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Nicknames
La Selección is not a nickname for the Spanish National Team. Rather, it's the Spanish word used to denote a national team (rather than equipo nacional), since there is no "permanent" team per se and the players are actually the coach's selection. Other national teams, like England, America, etc. are referred to as la selección EE UU, la selección ingles, etc. Spain is simply la selección in the Spanish press because it is assumed that the reader knows which team is being talked about. I'll remove it.

Jakesta007 (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

== 196.201.218.208 (talk) 14:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)SPAIN'S HOME INTERNATIONALS196.201.218.208 (talk) 14:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC) ==

196.201.218.208 (talk) 14:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)SPAIN HOME GAMES196.201.218.208 (talk) 14:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

How many Spanish home internationals have been played at F.C. BARCELONA'S Nou Camp Stadium or Athletic Bilbao's Campo Del San Mames?

rivals?
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home matches
Spain plays most matches in madrid and valencia? that is false so I remove. They play in seville, murcia, and multiple other places than madrid and valencia 81.39.209.75 (talk) 15:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

new away kit
Can someone please design/upload/draw the new away kit for Spain to replace the yellow one currently there. The new one is here http://estaticos03.marca.com/albumes/2010/03/03/espana_amistoso_francia/1267647623_extras_albumes_0.jpg and http://estaticos01.marca.com/imagenes/2010/03/02/futbol/seleccion/1267525263_extras_noticia_foton_7_0.jpg Paper Back Writer 23 (talk) 23:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: I made a temporary one, but its been very poorly done as I'm inexperienced in this field, someone please improve upon my effort. Paper Back Writer 23 (talk) 01:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC) :P

New Friendly Match - 05/29 against Saudi Arabia
Marca reports a new friendly match before the World Cup. It'll be played on Insbruck (Austria) @ May 29. Source - http://www.marca.com/2010/04/13/futbol/seleccion/1271170576.html

Also do note that the forthcoming game against Poland will be played on Murcia, not Salamanca (as stated before).

"The Red"
I've changed the "La furia roja" translation for "The Red One" ("The red" would mean, the red colour) --80.174.209.12 (talk) 09:36, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * "La Furia Roja" translate to "The Red Fury" not "The Red One". La Fuzion (talk) 20:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to "La Roja" then that translate to "The Reds" and not "The Red One". La Fuzion (talk) 20:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "The Reds" would be "Los Rojos". "La Roja" is "The Red One".--Menah the Great (talk) 21:36, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not a good English speaker. Why do you call it "The Red One"? Is it uncorrect "The Red"? 83.60.197.160 (talk) 14:23, 4 July 2010 (UTC) It has always been known as the Furia Roja "Red Fury" from their performance in the 1920 Olympic Games in Antwerp, the problem today is that the journalists are lazy and prefer to remove the "La Furia" to save a couple of key strokes. Good to see it changed back on this wiki to La Furia Roja because the other day it was La Roja. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Er Pichi (talk • contribs) 03:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's English grammar. Unlike in Spanish, the preceding article "the" doesn't have number or gender, so the word "red" alone refers to the red color only. La Roja indicates that this is an adjective, short for "La [camiseta] roja", "La [escuadra] roja" or whatever that is feminine and red. In English, "one" is added when you need to point that what you are talking about is in fact something that is red, not the red color itself (i.e. "What jacket do you want to buy?" "The red one, please").--Menah the Great (talk) 11:42, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

That's not how you're saying. The change is due a marketing campaign by spanish TV channel Cuatro. They started calling the team "La Roja", I don't remember if in the 2006 Germany World Cup or in the 2008 UEFA Euro, but the truth is that society widely accepted the new nickname for the following reason: there's been some association between the "furia roja" and the old style based more in heart playing rather than technical skills and creativity. Since the new style is more like Barça's style since Luis Aragones took the management of the team in 2006, it was easy to accept a new nickname option. And, maybe "the furia roja", "the fury", sounds a little bit odd nowadays in Spain, where some parts of society easily relate some military words (wich is absolutely usual in sports) with war and, obviously, the thraumatic memory of the thirties Civil War. So, actually, there's no "key saving" reasons. No way, surely. And for all I just exposed, I think it would be right to change the nickname to "La roja", or, at least, put both of them. Of course, yes, I'm from Spain and I know what I'm talking about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.120.70.234 (talk) 02:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Recentism
Why do we need a separate head section for the 2010 World Cup with tables for the scores of every single match? Strikes me as recentism. Of course, the 2010 World Cup is an important part of Spanish footballing history, but there are better ways of conveying that. --Mkativerata (talk) 23:50, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the final (and possibly semi-final) merit footballboxes, but otherwise I agree. Suggestion: given that this is not semi protected (rightly so, there has been surprisingly little vandalism) it may be worth earmarking the changes this weekend, and implementing them on Monday. WFC (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I think leaving as is for now and waiting until next week will be the best way to avoid revert-wars. --Mkativerata (talk) 02:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

FIFA ranking 1
editsemiprotected

FIFA ranking 1

84.74.138.57 (talk) 21:17, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I'm sorry, I don't know what you want here. Besides, the article is not protected and you can now do it yourself. Regards, so  nia ♫♪ 02:32, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Third shirt
Does one exist? I have checked all of Spain's recent games listed by FIFA, searched for the corresponding photos from a reputable source and they have not worn a white shirt since Adidas updated their templates against Argentina in November. Can't find anything else on the web either so I'm going to remove it until proven otherwise. VEO15 (talk) 00:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The shirt images in the article show the correct red and blue official shirts, but the text incorrectly states the old white shirt as the second uniform when, as you just said, it's not been used for some time now. However, in this 2010 WC they used white shorts in their match against Chile, so maybe the white uniform is still in use (not in this WC, though). In the Euro 2008 they used a gold shirt and white shorts uniform in the semifinals against Russia, but that was the only time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.109.173.37 (talk) 09:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Puyol's retirement from the team
It's been said, and there were some strong rumours, but there's been no official confirmation about Puyol's leaving. In fact, coach Del Bosque encouraged him to reach a hundred matches and the spanish press also said he will be playing next 11th of August friendly match against Mexico. So, in my opinion, the best would be go back to write his name in bold as active player, or, as an alterantive, place an asterisk saying this is not official, or, at least, placing a citation there if there's been and I didn't realized. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.120.70.234 (talk) 02:48, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Logo
In the logo, it is written incorrectly 1913, because after a redesign, it is 1909.

http://i43.tinypic.com/bc65k.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.5.225.225 (talk) 11:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Nicknames
La Furia Española is NOT a nickname for the national team. La Furia Española is a translation from Dutch to Spanish of the event that we, in English, refer to as the Sack of Antwerp (Dutch: Spaanse furie). At the 1920 Antwerp Olympics Spanish journalists alluded to the event by nicknaming the Spanish national team La Furia Roja (The Red Fury). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.230.16 (talk) 15:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

1936 Olympiad
Spain did not withdraw "by civil war" (is that even grammatically correct?). It did not enter because the government condemned the Nazi regime, and was planning to stage its own alternate olympic games when the war broke out. But it had been decided well beforehand (unlike the 1938 championship, where Spain was indeed excluded by FIFA). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.26.120.40 (talk) 21:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * This has now been corrected and verified with the 1936 Olympics game entry, thank you! // Fi  nns  14:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Villa Goals
guys please stop this DAVID VILLA have 44 goals not 43 we dont care about what marca says if you open his official profile on the rfef site rfef you will find he have 43 goals and 65 matchs and the site was last updated after the world cup and after that spain played 3 matches villa appeared in 2 of them scoring one goal so it becomes 44 goals in 67 matches also here is a source from FIFA.com site to make this sure it's an article published before the first match in the european qualification it says that villa needs one goal to equal Raul's record and he scored that night so he have 44 goals please dont edit this again and here is the FIFA source FIFA —Preceding unsigned comment added by AhMeD BoSS (talk • contribs) 06:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

According to RFEF and UEFA, yesterday’s goal against Scotland was Villa’s 44th, not 45th, so he’s still tied with Raúl. The one goal discrepancy is from a June 2010 friendly against Poland (6–0) where the first goal was apparently ultimately adjudged to have been Poland’s own goal. –Kooma (talk) 11:53, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * RFEF recognizes 43, disputing the one scored against Poland in the pre-WC friendly. FIFA had originally awarded Villa this goal.  However, this is no longer the case.  See:  JonCatalán(Talk) 22:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

New Away Kit
Can someone draw the new away kit? it's IDENTICAL to the blue away kit (the one they wore on the world cup final), the only difference is that all the blue is replaced by white. Here is an image: Spain Away Kit 2011 DVilla21 (talk) 17:22, 17 November 2010 (UTC) >> Yeah I saw that kit yesterday at an adidas store! Its amazing! --212.198.222.125 (talk) 13:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 188.222.218.12, 25 January 2011
Please change: 25 March 2011 UEFA Euro 2012 qualifying Santiago Bernabéu, Madrid Spain – Czech Republic to 25 March 2011 UEFA Euro 2012 qualifying Estadio Nuevo Los Cármenes, Granada Spain – Czech Republic

188.222.218.12 (talk) 16:05, 25 January 2011 (UTC) http://www.marca.com/2011/01/25/futbol/seleccion/1295956717.html

Done I cross-checked the UEFA site (see ) to verify the correct stadium. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Chile is la roja
Here it is listed as Spain being the 'la roja' but in fact chile is the 'la roja' spain is the 'la furia roja'. I don't mean to cause any trouble, but this has to change, it makes people confused and since chile has only one nickname and that is the 'la roja'. Spain started being called as 'la roja' after some comentators were too lazy to call it 'la furia roja'. I am Chilean and I know that the chilean football federation first started in late 1800's while the spanish football federation began in early 1900's. It is only a small thing, but it needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.79.14.146 (talk) 14:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Pepe Reina
I haven't bothered to check any sources, but surely he hasn't scored 6 goals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.226.133 (talk) 18:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia article name
I cannot help but notice that all the national football teams are called "Spain national football team" rather than the more rational "Spanish national football team". Anyone care to enlighten me as to why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielMurdoch (talk • contribs) 20:01, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Three consecutive major tournaments
While it may not be as big as the Euro Cup or the World Cup, the Confederations Cup is still a major tournament. Spain lost it in 2009. So I take issue with the claim that Spain won three consecutive major tournaments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.8.4 (talk) 03:47, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Spain are not the 1st team to win 3 majors in a row. Uruguay won the 1924 and 1928 Olympic Football Tournaments and then won the 1930 FIFA World Cup. All three tournaments were recognised by FIFA as "football world championships" meaning Uruguay were world champions three times in a row. This should be changed but I don't want to get involved in a petty edit war DjlnDjln (talk) 20:47, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Argentina: South America Championship winners in 1945, 1946 & 1947; Copa America in 1991, FIFA Confederations Cup in 1992 and Copa America in 1993. Iran: Asia Cup winners in 1968, 1972 & 1976. (stretching over eight years) Mexico: CONCACAF Gold Cup winners in 1993, 1996 & 1998 and FIFA Confederations Cup winners in 1999. (stretching over six years) France: FIFA World Cup winners in 1998, Euro 2000 winners and FIFA Confederations Cup in 2001 (France declined to participate in the FIFA Confederations Cup in Mexico in 1999, hence the three consecutive competitions they competed in might count in this context). Egypt: African Nations Cup winners in 2006, 2008 & 2010. (stretching over four years) Spain, therefore, is not even the first European country to win three consecutive competitions they have entered. France holds that honour. Spain can, however, claim to be the first country to successfully defend the European Nations title, while (West) Germany holds the Europe record for four consecutive finals appearances (Euro 1972, 1976 & 1980) and a FIFA World Cup in 1974. One of the most successful national sides, Brazil, has never achieved the three consecutive feat as the third one is always interrupted, thus a Copa America win in June 1997 and a FIFA Confederations Cup win in December 1997 was interrupted by France's 1998 FIFA World Cup win before their 1999 Copa America win, though this gives Brazil a record-equalling four consecutive finals appearances. Brazil's chain of wins in 2004 (Copa America), 2005 (Confederations Cup), 2007 (Copa America) & 2009 (Confederations Cup) was broken in 2006 by Italy's FIFA World Cup win. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AtoDesta (talk • contribs) 08:38, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. The following are previous instances of countries which have won three or more consecutive international competitions:

AtoDesta (talk) 13:56, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This opens a very interesting debate on what is the defintion a "major tournament". I would say all FIFA World Cups, all European Championships, later South American Championships, the 1920, 1924 and 1928 Olympic Football Tournaments and the FIFA Confederations Cup all should be included. Not so sure Africa, Asia, Concacaf and Oceania should count, based on the quality of teams taking part and the fact that they are closed to the majority of the worlds best teams. DjlnDjln (talk) 19:13, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Djln Djln.

The BBC's Phil McNulty referred to Spain as "the first side to win three successive major tournaments". Well, strictly speaking, Spain won "three titles in two major tournaments".

I don't want to get into a dispute about the quality of teams from certain continents, other than to give the following instances:

FIFA 1982 World Cup - Algeria's defeat of West Germany and Cameroon's draw with Italy, both European teams contesting the finals of that year's competition.

FIFA 1986 World Cup - Morocco topping England's Group, defeating Portugal 3-0 on the way and only losing narrowly 1-0 to West Germany in the next round.

FIFA 1990 World Cup - Cameroon's defeat of the defending Champions Argentina.

FIFA 1994 World Cup - Nigeria's defeat of Bulgaria and Greece in Group matches.

FIFA 1998 World Cup - Nigeria's defeat of Spain and Bulgaria and Morocco's defeat of Scotland.

FIFA 2002 World Cup - Senegal's defeat of defending champions France in the Group match, followed by win against Sweden in the second round.

FIFA 2006 World Cup - Ghana's defeat of Czech Republic and Cote d'Ivoire's defeat of Serbia & Montenegro.

FIFA 2010 World Cup - Ghana's defeat of Serbia and South Africa's defeat of France.

Between 1986 and 1998 (four FIFA World Cups) an African team had topped its Group. Considering there is always only one African team in a group whereas there are almost always two teams from Europe and sometimes a third team from South America (Morocco in Mexico 1986; Cameroon in Italia 1990; Nigeria in USA 1994; Senegal in Japan-Korea 2002) this is not an inconsiderable achievement by the African teams. Not forgetting that unfortunate incident with Algeria's Group in Spain 1982.

Finalists have also met an African team on the way, sometimes losing to the African team: Spain1982: Germany (lost to Algeria in Group match) and Italy (drew with Cameroon), Germany in the 1986 final (met Morocco in second round), Argentina in the 1990 final (lost to Cameroon in opening match), USA'94: Italy (met Nigeria in second round) and Brazil (met Cameroon in Group match); France1998: France (met South Africa in Group match) and Brazil (met Morocco in Group match), Germany2006: Italy (met Ghana in Group match)

In another inter-continental competition, the FIFA Confederations Cup, the record of African teams against European/South American teams can be described as commendable: Cameroon in 2003 (reaching the Finals while defeating Brazil in the Group match and Colombia in the semi-final). In South Africa2009, Egypt defeated Italy, the reigning FIFA 2006 World Champions, after giving Brazil a good run for their money in their first match before losing narrowly 4-3 by a last minute penalty.

However, the point here is that, Spain is not the first country to win "three consecutive tournaments", inter-continental or not; "major" or not. The examples I gave were of three or more consecutive titles won by a country, irrespective of anyone's opinion of the 'quality' of the teams or whether the tournament was inter-continental, as those commenting on Spain didn't make that distinction regarding the latter.

Underachieving
Why it's not said anywhere in the article that before 2008, Spain were a team of perennial underachieving?

Underachieving
Why it's not said anywhere in the article that before 2008, Spain were a team of perennial underachieving?


 * This is mentioned in the 1950's section // Fi  nns  18:42, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Problem
Having looked at all of the kits on the page, it seems someone has forgotten one of the cardinal rules about Commons-hosted uniforms: YOU CANNOT HAVE LOGOS ON THE UNIFORMS! Oh my dear God Almighty, I'm pulling my hair out. This is ridiculous. I've got half a mind to just rip that entire section out until all of the images are corrected. --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 23:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)