Talk:Sporting Kansas City/Archive 1

Listing team name in player profiles section
For purposes of listing team names for players there should be four separate categories.

1. KC Wizards players (people who played 2010 and prior for the team.  (example Jimmy Conrad) The team should be listed in their profile as Kansas City Wizards.

2. Players who play 2011 onward only should be listed as Sporting Kansas City (unless of course they are rebranded.

3. Players whose tenure began prior to 2011 but is still on the team (i.e.. they have played for both incarnations of the team without interruption) should be listed as Kansas City Wizards/Sporting Kansas City. I have made the change to Davy Arnaud and indicated it as a discussion topic on his page. You cannot leave out the fact that Arnaud suited up for the Wizards.

4. Players who played for both teams, but the tenure has been interrupted. For instance, if Jimmy Conrad or Josh Wolff were to return. Their 2010 prior should say wizards, while their post 2011 would say Sporting. An example of a past occurrence is John Wolyniec who is listed as playing for both the Metrostars and the Red Bulls.70.189.42.247 (talk) 17:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Copa MercoNorte section
This section seems bias in favor of the Wizards. I think it should be reformatted to remove the instances of "questionable." Unless of course there are sources to cite that make the same claims.


 * The section POV is much better now! Thanks. Rballou 17:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

International Competition
I think the whole international competition section needs to be worked on. I think the Chicago Fire International Competition section is more concise than current layout. Any thoughts? Rballou 14:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Nationality Icons
What, if any, is the wikipedia policy on indicating nationality? I notice in this article that Preki has an American flag by his name and Bob Gansler has a Hungarian flag. I find it difficult to believe that either one of them isn't an American citizen by now. If it should properly indicate place of birth, then they should both do so, and if it should indicate current citizenship, then they should both indicate that. I would do it but I don't know which is correct.


 * According to the discussion on the WikiProject page for Clubs it seems that they should have the flag for the national team that they have played for. If they have not played for a team, then I think they get the flag of their birth nationality. Not sure on this though, especially when the person in question is a coach. Rballou 18:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Notable Players
I think the notable players sections (not just for the Wizards, but for MLS teams in general) should be changed to notable former players. I realize that MLS teams have far less notable former players, but I'm not sure we need to duplicate players who are already listed in the current roster. Thoughts? Rballou 22:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Copa Games
I formatted the Copa Merconorte games like the 2006 FIFA World Cup page, but I am not sure if we want all this information or if this should be moved to a 2001 Copa Merconorte page. I found the following information about the 2001 cup:


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 * I have moved the games to the Copa Merconorte 2001 page. --Rballou 05:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Roster change
Now that the 2006 FIFA World Cup is over, should we remove the astericks for the roster noting that certain players are on the national team. From my understanding, the roster is pretty fluid accept during tournaments. Thoughts? Rballou 22:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and removed the asterisks and notation about players on the national team.Rballou 14:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

To whomever keeps adding Omar Bravo to the current roster: Please pay attention to the notes in that section - until the signing is confirmed by the Kansas City Wizards, do NOT add Bravo to the roster.Jroushkolb (talk) 14:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Squad Template
I created the roster squad template:

Rballou 21:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:KC Wizards new logo.jpg
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History Section
The comment about being proven the worst club in MLS history? If true, surely there should be some numbers to back up such a claim?

The statement that KC is the first team to beat an EPL team is false. Real Salt Lake beat Everton FC in a friendly in 2007, even if there are no other instances. BalanceUT 04:52, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Picture of Shirts
The picture of the home/away shirts, while much prettier than the hodgepodge approximations we have usually on team's websites, they are eggregiously outdated and are in serious need of update. Can someone with a little more technical skill work on this? --  Grant  .  Alpaugh  15:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Current Season
Most football clubs have some sort of current/ most recent season page- I believe templates can be found in the wikiproject for Football, would anyone be interested in such a thing? Maybe the best MLS version of this belongs to Houston http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Houston_Dynamo_season Morry32 (talk) 00:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Matthew

War over State
Stop it! WikiProject_Football has discussed and voted- it will remain as the Kansas City Metro area and neither state. If you have a problem with that take it up there.Morry32 (talk) 01:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yet now it says their based in the one state. Of course, the stadium is nw located on the other side of the river, but the headquarters is in Missouri, and originally they played on this side too. I agree it should be KC metro area, or something to that effect, and not be specific to one state or the other. This parallels what has been done with, for example, the NY Giants. Wschart (talk) 15:56, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Omar Bravo signing.
While the guidelines are to assume good faith in all editing efforts, it is becoming very difficult to respect that guideline with regard to Omar Bravo. The only source indicating that a deal has been completed does not really jive with WP:SPS standards, and given that the signing has been explicitly denied in credible media sources on multiple occasions by Wizards President Robb Heineman, the validity of that source is called further into question.

Rest assured that in the event Omar Bravo does indeed join the team, he will be added to the roster. Until such date, please do not make that change to this page.

Jroushkolb (talk) 01:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Manchester United friendly
To those who are looking to discount the importance of the friendly win over Manchester United, it is indeed the first time that an English Premier League team has lost to a Major League Soccer team. While West Ham and Everton were both defeated by All-Star teams comprised solely of MLS players, those teams are not "MLS teams." Jroushkolb (talk) 16:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Sporting Club Kansas City
At 5:30pm CST on 11/17/10... sniff sniff... they will change the name of the Kansas City Wizards to Sporting Club Kansas City... Lame, but just a heads up, get to changing everything... So does that mean the 1999 season is Sporting Club or still a Wizards season? Moonraker0022 (talk) 19:53, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Still a Wizards season. It's the same club with a re-branding. --JonBroxton (talk) 20:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Swope Park Rangers
Just noticed this article, which has been tagged for a merge here for a few days shy of two years!!!! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Who is SPR, anyhow? I clicked on a link to them, and it redirected here.YellowAries2010 (talk) 00:17, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

conference champions
Talk:New York Red Bulls

just adding a link to a centralized discussion on division champions conventions. Please post comments there.

Soony Saad's Nationality
Soony Saad's nationality was recently changed to Lebanese, I changed it back to American and thats what it should stay as for now. As for right now, he should be listed as American. He was born and raised in the United States, was trained in the United States, and last featured for the U.S. youth team. Until he makes the switch and picks up a cap with the Lebanese team, he should continue to be listed as American. Rumors don't change this. His family's origin doesn't necessarily mean his origin. I understand if you're Lebanese/fan of the Lebanese National Team, but lets stick to his current status. Thanks! Renegade  Replicant |leave me a message  19:06, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Change in roster format
There was a discussion about the new roster format and we have had a trial at both the Timbers and Whitecaps articles and recently Cascadia Cup rival Sounders have converted. The idea is to move all club articles on Wikipedia to the new format as is discussed in the original discussion and more recently at the football project.

My suggestion is to complete the MLS team articles first, so if you could respond at this discussion, that would be ideal. In short, the new layout is slightly taller and less wide, but it correctly impliments WP:MOSFLAG and is better for visually impared users of Wikipedia and others who use readers. I plan to implement the change to this article by the weekend of January 20-22, however other editors could make the change sooner. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:53, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

D-17 Supporters Group
There is a "Citation Needed" in the paragraph about the D-17 Supporters Group pertaining to the year it started. I personally am a member of D-17, although a newer recent one, and I personally contacted other members of the group about when it was started. Three separate members told me it was started in the year 2000. Since there is not an official website for the group, I have no other way to confirm the year.

RjBass (talk) 16:27, 4 May 2012 (UTC)RjBass
 * No the CN is about the group. You are not a WP:RS. There is an official website for the club's supporters groups, http://www.sportingkc.com/members/supporters, this entry is dubious at best. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:39, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I see, so in order to be listed on the Wikipedia page, we also have to be an "official" support group as listed by Sporting KC? D-17 is a small close group. Not everybody is allowed to join the group. So the group has preferred to not be officially listed with the team. Does that mean then that we are not worthy of a small paragraph on the Wikipedia page? The only official online source for the group is it's facebook page which can be found at https://www.facebook.com/groups/d17supporters/. RjBass (talk) 19:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)RjBass

Bobby Convey
He started twice in the 2006 FIFA World Cup and played in all three games so I'd consider that worthy of notability for a Major League Soccer player. Acmilan10italia (talk) 04:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry. I have misread the criteria. It changed, apparently for all MLS clubs, 'This list of former players includes those who received international caps while playing for the team, made significant contributions to the team in terms of appearances or goals while playing for the team, or who made significant contributions to the sport either before they played for the team, or after they left.'' It didn't used to be like that. I'll self-revert. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

overlinking
I have tried to remove all of the redundant wikilinks. If you add something please first check and see if there is already a link...... Dbrodbeck (talk) 15:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Orlando City Template
Since the Sporting KC template is at the bottom of the Orlando City Soccer Club page, I'm putting their template at the bottom of ours. Not sure if this is the right thing to do, but I feel like it is. Elisfkc (talk) 17:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Sporting Club Sections Template
I see no reason to have the Template:Sporting Club sections on this page, as Sporting Club doesn't even own the rugby team listed on that template. It would make more sense to add them to the Template:Sporting Kansas City under Affiliated Clubs, but even still, I really don't see a reason to have it. Elisfkc (talk) 04:50, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Infobox
Why is it a big bother for someone here to be compelled to delete the infobox of SKC's active teams? It shouldn't be. There is someone deleting it with no reason. Inaccuracy? Plus I question their actual knowledge of Swope Park Rangers is in question when I was told they are now owned by Sporting Kansas City, yet they will be overlooked by them as a reserve team for academy players? Bluhaze777 (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I am the one deleting it. There really isn't any reason to have it to begin with, considering there are only two teams. If they had more teams, like some of the European clubs do (where they own a soccer team, basketball team, and half a dozen other things), I would see the reason behind it. Swope Park Rangers are listed in the template at the bottom and at the top of the page itself. Also, the team is not owned by Sporting Kansas City, but by Sporting Club (confusing, but that's what the press release says). Elisfkc (talk) 19:12, 23 October 2015 (UTC)


 * And as argued on the Orlando City page "No, American style franchises are not the same as European clubs. Sister women's teams and minor league farm teams aren't divisions of the men's team, but separate (if commonly owned) franchises.""

- User:Oknazevad Elisfkc (talk) 19:14, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's why I removed it here and a few other teams. The European model isn't applicable to MLS teams, any more than it is applicable to MLB, NHL or NBA teams. North American farm teams are different from the European "multiple squads of one club" model that the box is intended to be, nor do MLS teams operate teams in other sports like some of the European clubs. It would be inappropriate, for example, to link the Colorado Avalanche and Denver Nuggets in these boxes, even though they share a common ownership with and operate in the same city as the Colorado Rapids. It just isn't applicable here. oknazevad (talk) 19:20, 23 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Really Bluhaze777, name calling? Elisfkc (talk) 19:25, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Man forget it. I'm going to delete my account. I had it with this crap. I don't need to be dealing with dog's and do not's. I only wanted to do this to improve all Major League soccer pages in Wikipedia since I myself became a fan of it since 2012. It began with my favorite team Portland Timbers. I wanted to make sure it's history have their great run in 2013 and it continued from there last year. I already did what I wanted long ago and I wanted to contribute but I don't want to continue. I am sick of have these nonsense. Bluhaze777 (talk) 04:51, 24 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Do's Bluhaze777 (talk) 04:52, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Just nonsense after nonsense after nonsense. Bluhaze777 (talk) 04:53, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have not read all of this, but if it's summed up with the "Just nonsense after nonsense after nonsense", I'll assume it's Bluhaze777's edits that are being characterized as such. And I see in an earlier comment, that you're planning on deleting your account, I don't think that can be done. You can, however, mark it retired and no longer use it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:55, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course, if you are blocked for edit warring, you could simply request an indefinite block and then request that your user page be deleted, if you had one. At that time, you could blank your talk page, except for the final block notice(s) and effectively retire. However, the state of indefinite block is a hard thing to reverse and probably not worth seeking. Cheers. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:32, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I am am American... I don't see a big deal of why there can't be an Infobox for Sporting Kansas City. So I demand legitimate reasons as to why there can't be a Infobox for Sporting Kansas City. Bluhaze777 (talk) 05:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Elisfkc (talk) 16:36, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Here's your legitimate reasons. "There really isn't any reason to have it to begin with, considering there are only two teams. If they had more teams, like some of the European clubs do (where they own a soccer team, basketball team, and half a dozen other things), I would see the reason behind it. Swope Park Rangers are listed in the template at the bottom and at the top of the page itself."

Well that is only applicable for Sporting Kansas City. NOT ON THE OTHER MAJOR LEAGUE SOCCER FRANCHISES — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluhaze777 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * It is applicable for all of the teams that you put the Active Teams box on. Except for cases with women's teams, those are all basically farm teams. You don't see any box like that for MLB teams or NBA teams, but they all have similar situations. The biggest reason why European sports clubs have that box is because they have teams competing in different sports. It is not applicable in any of the situations you have put the Active Teams box in. Also, in every single case, the other teams affiliated with the team are listed at the bottom in the team's templates. On some of the European club pages, this is not the case. Elisfkc (talk) 03:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

New Kit
Need help with the new kit again. Elisfkc (talk) 21:59, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Elisfkc (talk) 16:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Third Kit was retired
I edited the article to show that the third kit was retired after the 2016 and it was reverted. Here is a link showing their 2017 set of uniforms. . I don't want to undo a revert of my own, and the person who reverted it had a message saying to direct any complaints about reverted edits to the talk page, so I'm putting this message here. 98.166.138.67 (talk) 20:44, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Secondary Kit
Should there be something regarding the 2018 Secondary Kit? Or perhaps other secondary Kits used in the past? Gatorinator (talk) 16:51, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Colors?
In multiple tables, there are colored cells, but no guide as to what the colors mean. This needs to be corrected. Vincent Ree (talk) 14:10, 15 August 2019 (UTC)