Talk:Staind

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Discrepancy re Marriages
The article on Aaron Lewis claims that as of 2006 he is the only member of Staind who is married. The article on other band member, Jon Wysocki, claims marriage. Furthermore, the article on the band Staind claims that all four members are currently married. This obvious discrepancy needs correction. -- 24.92.80.154 03:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC) Staind had sex with my grandma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.200.209 (talk) 08:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Weak sentence
'' Together, throughout the course of their five albums, fifteen radio hits and progressively maturing career, house-hold name Staind have impacted modern rock, or at least post-grunge / alternative metal of the new millennium in some way. '' This is quite possibly the weakest sentence ever written :)  -- 71.67.101.124 04:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm removing that sentence - it's not NPOV. They are not a 'household name', and to say that they have impacted rock music 'in some way' doesn't mean anything at all. -- 203.214.115.121 01:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Mischaracterization of lyrics
While I don't consider myself a fan of Staind's music, I do appreciate the typical positivity of their post-Dysfunction lyrics. Therefore I don't understand why under "Criticism & Controversy" Lewis' lyrics are said to evidence "his continued depression and gloominess". While the lyrics may often address unpleasant subjects, they tend to do so with a positive, practical attitude. I mean, seriously, contrast, for example, Lewis' lyrics with Staley and Cantrell's lyrics at the height of Alice in Chains' career... -- Layeredsurface 08:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Grindcore usage
What brain-dead fan used the term grindcore to describe this band? -- 70.160.230.17 05:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Obviously someone who is not familiar with grindcore. -- Progkeeg 00:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps grindcore did go a bit too far. However, their first album was quite heavy.  -- musikxpert 08:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

-Yeah, their first album was border lining grindcore imo. Staind's music can be extremely heavy at times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.149.156 (talk) 15:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

-"Grindcore is characterized by heavily distorted, down-tuned guitars, high speed tempo, blast beats, songs often lasting no more than two minutes (some are seconds long), and vocals which consist of growls and high-pitched screams." From the Grindcore article. Staind's first album has... heavily distorted, down tuned guitars. Maybe some growl-like vocals, but not actual "growls." Opinions don't count for much. Hukt own fonikz (talk) 18:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

General discussion about the article's subject
Does the vocalist have a lisp? It kind of sounds like he has a lisp. -- 72.72.37.187 21:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject. Thanks! -- Jreferee 18:34, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

No he doesn't 16:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by MauMau4life (talk • contribs)

POV
"The album sees the band move away from the nu-metal sounds of their previous album and resort to an alternative metal sound that many bands, including Cold, Seether, and Crossfade, have tried to replicate." I edited that sentence because I see little to no evidence suggesting that those bands tried to rip off Staind when they started playing music. Rather they were influenced by the same bands and since Staind became famous there was a renewed interest in bands playing alt. metal. That's like saying Korn "invented" Nu-metal and all the other bands just tried to copy them. -- Reborn stillborn 21:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

It's Been Awhile
I've written a section for "It's Been Awhile" seeing that it is probably Staind's most well known song. -- Jason f90 10:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Video links
Seems that "Right here" link is outdated.. as the user who uploaded it removed the file. A working link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jufrf69SZtg I am sorry but I am new to wikipedia's editing/commenting. There are also others not working after checking. "Everything Changes" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faewCXX1mvo.Plsk1n 0335 22:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

nu-metal
staind is a "nu metal" band. yes, they're not as much as korn, but those who argue are probably saying "oh, but they have like, one nu-metal song, so that doesn't count, right?". i would have agreed, but that shows that you only bought albums such as break the cycle, chapter v, or 14 shades of grey. they started out as a nu metal band, and still show some numetal in some of their songs. like for ex: in king of all excuses, the middle is a nu-metal, in which aaron lewis starts rapping. yes, i know songs like "right here" aren't nu-metal, but that doesn't mean they're not nu-metal. Itachi1452 03:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

ahh dont think they really are nu - metal...hard rock definately...Inuxshinedown 01:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

They are not a nu metal band and anyone who says so are wrong. The band members themselves have denied being nu metal. Get your facts straight.
 * The album Dysfunction has alot of nu metal elements, especially in the breakdowns. i.e.

1) Nu metal bands often feature aggressive vocals that range from melodic singing akin to pop, rock and pop punk, guttural screaming and shouting from various forms of metal, hardcore punk, and rapping. 2) The final verse is often a climax to the song, has a relatively different sound to the previous two and sometimes is just one line repeated, getting gradually louder. (Suffocate, Just Go, Mudshovel) for examples.Shatterzer0 20:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

They really aren't nu-metal at all breakdowns are not just in nu-metal by the way —Preceding unsigned comment added by MauMau4life (talk • contribs) 16:30, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Discography
i believe that Staids page is badly ordered with all the songs stated everywhere, particularly the unreleased songs not even being part of the discography area. i suggest to create a Staid discography page, and move all need info in there. very similar to the Limp Bizkit discography page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HDS (talk • contribs) 00:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

"Stained" or "Stand"?
For those of us who don't know how to read the pronunciation symbols, which way is the name of this band pronounced? toll_booth (talk) 20:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

It's pronounced Stained. Like a stained carpet. RodFlanders (talk) 05:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Why was the pronunciation guide deleted? I, and no doubt a few others, found it useful to be right there at the top of the article. toll_booth (talk) 19:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Because everyone knows it's pronounced Stained--Mapsfly (talk) 02:20, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

The(?) Illusion Of Progress
Folks, the official Staind site http://www.staind.com/splash_files/believe.php cites the new albums name as Illusion Of Progress. No "The". So does Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Illusion-Progress-Staind/dp/B001B94K14. Should we wait for the release to see if there's a "The", or change it now? KaBoOM 444 (talk) 01:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

How about listing the band members at the top?
I had to scroll all the way to the bottom to find Johnny April's name. (ALV) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.225.143.253 (talk) 21:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC) - There's a bar at the top of the page, that says "Members", you click on that, it brings you right down to that particular section. No need to move anything.

Trademark infringement
I'm confused by this section of the article. Staind formed in 1995, and then in 2003 they tried to sue a guy because he had trademarked the name "The Stain" 5 years before they got together? It's a very vague section. Then, it brings up some promises that were made to Stainbrook, but makes no mention of what they are, or how they related to the band. This section needs to be re-written to make some sense. Hukt own fonikz (talk) 18:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Staind never sued Stainbrook, it was actually the opposite. Stainbrook sued Staind, along with others several times and Lewis discusses it in a 2008 interview with The Gauntlet. http://www.thegauntlet.com/interviews/421/Staind.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.54.79.121 (talk) 18:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

So is that mess of an article going to be cleaned up? If not, it should be deleted, it provides no specifically notable information, has no details, and false information. 24.11.172.174 (talk) 14:07, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Disappearance
maybe the article shouldn't be written as if Staind didn't exist anymore, Aaron Lewis does say they are on a hiatus (e.g. "Staind was an American rock band") — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.106.102 (talk) 09:46, 9 June 2016 (UTC) August 2017 update: It's doubtful if Aaron Lewis' recent statement means Staind have "broken up" as in "there will never be anything by them, performances, new songs etc in the future". It means they won't tour extensively again. Mike Mushok also hinted that there could be new material in the future... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.106.102 (talk) 06:38, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit, 30 October 2017
Please add a "citation needed" tag after where it says "through Aaron's cousin Justin Cantor" because I've never seen that anywhere but Wikipedia, and while it's possible, there is no reference. The change I want is impossible to make in above format. I get that we probably shouldn't request these, but please do so anyway if you agree with me. 104.39.113.217 (talk) 23:47, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  Terra  (talk) 02:34, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Staind is a band/was a band
An IP-hopper keeps switching it from "Staind is a band" to "Staind was a band". From my understanding, it's only supposed to be changed to "was" if they have broken up. The band has not broken up, they're simply in a hiatus. They even performed in 2017. So far, the IPs edit summaries haven't made much sense, but I'm giving one last chance here for someone to provide a valid counterpoint. Sergecross73  msg me  13:54, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I believe that is should be changed to was when Staind is either broken up, or on a hiatus. That's why I changed it. A hiatus technically means that they are broken up temporarily, but not permanently. From my knowledge, Staind's first hiatus lasted from mid to late 2012 to 2014. They went on their second hiatus in November 2014. This hiatus lasted until August 4, 2017, when they played a brief reunion show. After the performance, they went into their current third hiatus. Aaron Lewis said a few days after the reunion that they would never tour again. This means that Staind might still record another album in the future, or play a few shows every now and then, but will never do an actual tour ever again.

I'm here to apologize for any problems or drama that I may have caused during the last few months. I had no intentions of starting any edit wars. I only wanted to make sure that this page was as accurate as possible. I even watched Staind's Wikipedia: Fact or Fiction on Youtube to separate what was accurate, and what was speculation. I literally had no idea that my actions would lead up to this page getting first semi-protected, and now protected. Please forgive me for this misunderstanding. User:139.62.84.11 09:10, 5 December 2017 (UTC)


 * We don't change to "was" until the band or the majority of the media say that the group has disbanded. It usually requires an official statement from the band, or we follow the descriptions given in the media, like in the tragic case of a band that had four of the five band members killed, and the fifth one terribly injured. Binksternet (talk) 10:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm very familiar with the band's situation. But the point that people are trying to illustrate to you, is that a "hiatus", especially with a band who has had activity in just recent months, is usually considered a "break, pause, or timeout" type situation, and we only add the past-tense "was" when its more confirmed that the band is completely finished, which so far, has not been indicated at any point.
 * If you confirm that you understand this, and stop switching it, I can remove the semi-protection. Otherwise, we'll have to discuss further. Sergecross73   msg me  16:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

A very similar looking IP is doing this again. Does the page need to be locked again? This seemed to be clean cut and resolved - we don't talk about band in the past tense unless they are completely broken up. Staind is on a short term hiatus. Sources confirm this. They performed together just last year. With a short term hiatus, present tense is appropriate. Sergecross73  msg me  14:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I completely disagree with you. The hiatus that Staind is currently on is not a short term hiatus, but an indefinite one. We have no idea if it is long term or short term or when they will get back together again, but we do know that they are broken up temporarily, not permanently. When the band went on their first hiatus in 2012, Aaron said that it would be short term. By 2014, they were touring again, but they went on a second hiatus at the end of the year. He said that it would last "for a while". NO ONE knew how long it would last. 3 years had passed before they reunited for a short acoustic show in 2017. They then went their separate ways and entered a their current hiatus. The only information that Aaron has given us is that Staind will never do a full tour ever again. In my honest opinion, it is best to leave it as "was" since we have no clue when they will reunite again.

User:139.62.84.11 21:24, 18 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.62.87.149 (talk)
 * You're missing the point. Aaron Lewis has repeatedly said, as recently as 15 months ago, that they're not breaking up. We only add the past tense if they've broken up. It's as simple as that. That's how Wikipedia handles the wording situations like this. That's why your attempts to do this are getting rejected at the Creed article too. Sergecross73   msg me  21:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Lead expansion
I've expanded the WP:LEAD to try to clarify the band's situation a little bit (though it seems its really just one IP hopper who is actively concerned) and I'm still getting pushback (from the same IP hopper.) To outline some of the issues that keep on getting re-added to the article with these unnecessary tweaks to my additions:
 * 1) It does not make sense to refer to the band as "mostly inactive since 2011" when the band did multiple North American tours in 2012. I even added sourced content about this in the body too. They were very active in 2012.
 * 2) The WP:LEAD is supposed be about brief overview stuff. We don't need to outline how Giancarelli moved from touring member to official member over the span of a couple months. That can be covered in the body. The main point is that he was the new drummer.
 * 3) Same idea with the awkward repetition of the word hiatus - people do not usually say things like "is currently in a third hiatus." We dont need to count hiatuses like this. It's not natural sounding.
 * 4) The change from the use of the word reiterated to   Lewis  claimed that the band had not broken up, '' is also a worse wording choice. Using a word like "claimed" adds a sense of doubt to what he's saying. It's not your place to editorialize like that, especially in the article's opening.

I'm not saying my version is perfect, just that these sorts of alterations are generally a step in the wrong direction. Sergecross73  msg me  13:51, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request, April 19, 2023
Add information about Confessions of the Fallen and the "Lowest in Me" single to the adequate sections (such as the discography page) Source: Billboard https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/staind-confessions-of-the-fallen-lowest-in-me-1235309680/ 174.251.135.178 (talk) 21:26, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Rock band or Alternative Metal?
Staind are widely known for their heavier sound as is similarly the case with Three Days Grace, Godsmack, and Mudvayne, They are often associated with Nu Metal, but not as synonymous as Korn or Limp Bizkit, would it be possible to change the title to refer to them as an alternative metal band? PontiacAurora (talk) 23:02, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


 * They're also know for many ballads. For bands that get hit with a lot of genre, we often pick a more generic label like "rock" to cut down on the arguing about more specific genre. Otherwise, you'll change it to alt metal, then someone else changes it to hard rock, another guy changes it to nu metal, etc etc. Sergecross73   msg me  23:22, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit request
The intro paragraph needs their latest album Confessions of the Fallen added, including revising mention of its release later in the article. https://shop.staindofficial.com/products/confessions-of-the-fallen-digital-album — Preceding unsigned comment added by David.michaelangelo.silva (talk • contribs)
 * ✅ Sergecross73   msg me  19:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)