Talk:Star Awards 2022

Judging Panels Tab
Hi SA2022 folks, this year is the first year that the ceremony putting up the judging panels for the main awards' ceremony, to show the transparency and credibility, I feel like it is compulsory to show the judges in every single ceremony. What is your thoughts then?

Here are the lists of the judging panels.

(Unknown152438 (talk) 12:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC))


 * Also to be mentioned, if you are here to help to edit please do it appropriately otherwise you will be categorized as vandalism. (Unknown152438 (talk) 12:49, 23 March 2022 (UTC))

Consecutive and records in award categories, first in Top 10

 * All of this above shouldn't be missing, please refer to Star Awards 2021 (Unknown152438 (talk) 14:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC))
 * My Pick! Categories should be underlined because it is not presented during the ceremony. (Unknown152438 (talk) 14:44, 4 April 2022 (UTC))
 * 1. Award information - If you mean Ceremony information, the content is largely intact in Ceremony.
 * 2. Awards trivia, see WP:TRIVIA - Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined and Integrate trivia items into the body of the article if appropriate which I had done so.
 * For the first time ever, the ceremony will feature a robot attendant, who will be responsible for delivering the awards to the various recipients on the day itself. - Merge as prose into article.
 * Fan-voting award categories also returned for the first time since the categories retired in 2016. - This statement is currently unsourced and WP:BURDEN says All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution.
 * 3. Absence of award categories has 3 list items, please use prose instead of list items as prose is preferred over list form.
 * Best News Story and Best Current Affairs Story, as well as Best News Presenter and Best Current Affairs Presenter, were not presented for the fourth and seventh consecutive ceremony, respectively, although 8World had enough presenters to fulfill the minimum quota of 10 nominations. - This is unsourced and WP:SYNTH and barely related. If this is the first time it is not presented and there is an article talking about it, it will be considered reliably sourced and notable to include. This statement is currently unsourced and WP:BURDEN says All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution.
 * Best Newcomer were not presented for the first time since 2021 as a result of the shortage of nominations. - Unsourced per above point. Even if it is sourced, this point can and should be merged as prose into Winners and Nominees section.
 * Although there was no publicity of the Backstage Creative Award for the second consecutive year.... - This was moved into a standalone sub-section Backstage Creative Awards under Awards. This is a category of awards, though not presented at the ceremony, it is part of the Star Awards and should be in its own subsection.
 * 4. My Pick! Categories should be underlined because it is not presented during the ceremony - This actually contradict what you have done for the Backstage Creative Awards. It is also not presented during the ceremony and hence based on your reasoning, it should be underlined (or rather in a main section, see Help:Section as we called it a main section and not underlined). All awards should be inside the sub section Awards as their own subsection. My Pick! and Backstage Creative Awards are both not presented during the ceremony and they are also awards given out for Star Awards.
 * 5. If Star Awards 2021 (and other editions of the Star Awards) has similar problems, it (they) will need to be fixed as well.
 * Ping to notify discussion is brought to here instead. Thanks! Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 02:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Ping to notify discussion is brought to here instead. Thanks! Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 02:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * First thing first, did you watch Star Awards? Did you track their footsteps whether they announce something or didn't? If there is a thing that is not announced which has indicated that the category will not be presented (Not a retired category) like Rocket Award and Special Achievement Award. It will be resurrection someday. By right, all these should be listed on the Wikipedia Fan-voting award categories also returned for the first time since the categories retired in 2016, I also wanted to ask you the same question, did you watch Star Awards? The last fan-voting category last awarded in year 2016 during the post-party. and did not come back in 2017 onwards until today.


 * Best Newcomer were not presented for the first time since 2021 as a result of the shortage of nominations. This line is very obvious that the organizer did not announce the nominees of Best Newcomer, I'm asking you back, did you watch Star Awards?


 * Backstage Creative Award should not be too conspicuous in line because they (the organizer) plans to be doing that in private, so we should follow that format to be listed privately. Only announce publicly when there is a proper ceremony, live to the public, then only announce at a different space.

(Unknown152438 (talk) 14:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC))


 * @Unknown152438: It does not matter if one had watched the awards show or not. It matters that contestable information should be cited. Right now, the information is contested. Can you back it up with sources? – robertsky (talk) 14:34, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Robertsky: Is wikipedia citable? (Unknown152438 (talk) 14:37, 5 April 2022 (UTC))
 * @Unknown152438: Unfortunately, no. – robertsky (talk) 14:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Robertsky: By default, the award's info section should follow exactly like last year's ceremony. Unknown152438 (talk) 14:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Robertsky: I'm not gonna change that, look, after the Winner's and Nominees, suddenly, there is a fan-voting information there, it looks confusing already :) Unknown152438 (talk) 14:46, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Unknown152438 it is already confusing without sources – robertsky (talk) 14:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Robertsky Without a proper visual formatting, it is more confusing. Unknown152438 (talk) 14:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Robertsky It doesn't matter whether the source can be found, because sometimes, they will not have a big press conference to just announce that we did not present this this this award, that award is presented this year, it is a waste of physical power and funds. By right, SA editors should know and observe the flow of annual event, and remember or try to recall on what's different what's not. (Unknown152438 (talk) 14:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC))
 * @Unknown152438: I think you are getting Wikipedia backwards.
 * It doesn't matter whether the source can be found... No, it does. Some of Wikipedia's central tenets are that information has be verifiable and should be backed by sources, especially when challenged. If the organisers do not hold a press conference or explain their decisions for tweaking the rules, that is the failure on their part. If news outlets do not pick up the changes and cover them, it is the failure on their part. We do not write original content here. We do not correct their failure in covering the event for the details we/you want/need to see.
 * SA editors should know... No, there are no "SA editors" here on Wikipedia, it is all Wikipedia editors here. The turnover of editors working on Star Awards articles is high and there's no one constant editor working throughout the years. We cannot risk having institutional knowledge locked in one or two editors only to have it disappear the following year or two. You should prepare for the average editors working on multiple topics, coming and go through different articles, rather than for editors working only on one topic. And this can be achieved by adhering to the central tenets laid out above and other generally agreed upon on policies and guidelines. No doubt, there are always editors who work on one topic, but those among these who are the better editors who I have seen so far are those who cite their sources and lay the information out appropriately.
 * I suggest that you take a step back, lest others drop WP:OWN, WP:BATTLE, and/or even WP:CIR on you after all these. Let the other editors work their magic to conform the article to the current standards that every other Wikipedia editors expects of it to adhere to. Do not use the refrain 'but previous years' articles are also done similarly'. That's because previous years' aren't subjected to the scrutiny that they should have gotten, like now. There had been deletion discussions for some of the Star Awards pages, and a successful deletion/merge cuz of sourcing issues. – robertsky (talk) 17:24, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Then I would suggest to have Template:Note instead of having Trivia section. WP:NOR stated something on the similar issue. Unknown152438 (talk) 18:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Found a site that can provide information about which awards will be presented, according to WP:VERIFYOR. Unknown152438 (talk) 19:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It is a start but it is considered as a primary source, since Mediacorp is the organisation behind Ch8 and organising the awards. Better sources would be from a third party source not published by Mediacorp, which therefore excludes publications such as Today, 8days, 8world, CNA, Berita, Seithi, all of the local TV channels, and some of the local radio channels. – robertsky (talk) 01:54, 6 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Found third party sources from goodfeed.com (Unknown152438 (talk) 14:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC))
 * @Unknown152438 👍 – robertsky (talk) 18:02, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Add ons: WP:HTRIVIA says Integrated trivia content can still be presented in a list, because it is a good way to present some types of information. WP:VERIFYOR. WP:NOR says If your viewpoint is in the majority, then it should be easy to substantiate it with references to commonly accepted reference texts; If your viewpoint is held by a significant minority, then it should be easy to name prominent adherents; If your viewpoint is held by an extremely small minority, then—whether it's true or not, whether you can prove it, or not—it doesn't belong in Wikipedia, except perhaps in some ancillary article. Wikipedia is not the place for original research. (Unknown152438 (talk) 16:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC))


 * @Unknown152438 The line above what you quoted indicate Often the content in trivia sections can be better presented elsewhere in the article, either by merging individual items into the existing article text, or by creating a new section and moving items there. However, when creating new sections you should always be sure that it doesn't provide a framework for further miscellaneous contributions and also the example for your quoted text is As an example, see Alex Trebek#Cameos. On handling trivia, The style guideline at Wikipedia:Trivia sections suggests that trivia sections should be avoided in favor of presenting information within the framework of the article's main text and that Trivia sections should only remain in an article temporarily, as a step towards integration of the information. Specifically, it suggest avoiding a trivia section and to integrate the trivia into content. It does not say trivia must be excluded, it say it should be integrated into article and certain trivia can be presented in a standalone list but not in a manner where it would attract more trivia (in my own words, a trivia section). The example given specifically is trivia but specifically of the person's cameos which at this point of time is subsumed into his filmography.
 * I like to thank you for quoting WP:VERIFYOR andWP:NOR! I hope you realised that you had added Original Research without sources and any editors can boldly remove it.
 * If the order of the awards being displayed is weird, feel free to re-organise it. I do not have any particular preference in order but perhaps in terms of order of prize presentation/given out (which will mean backstage creative awards first since it is given out first pre-ceremony or you can divide it into pre-ceremony / ceremony / post ceremony). -- Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)