Talk:Stefan Milutin

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 * THE TURKS IN EUROPE (1305-13) AND THE SERBS IN ASIA MINOR (1313)

Child Abuse
This article fails to mention that Simonis Palaiologina (later known as Simonida Nemanjić) was only five years old at the time of the alliance between her father and Milutin (who was forty). The fourteenth-century historian Nicephorus Gregoras relates that Milutin, "did not abide by the legal requirements for the wife to reach legal age and raped her at the age of 8, causing injuries of the womb, which prevented her from bearing children, and mental suffering which obliged her to return in tears to her homeland to be a nun." Milutin wasn't a hero, he was a child molester, and was recognized as such by the standards of his own time; his article should reflect this, or at the very least include more information about his crimes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.155.213.134 (talk) 02:23, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Do not judge people from the Middle Ages based on our 2023 views and knowledge. What you are stating is most probably not true and it is based on a claim found in a primary source. Best. —  Sadko  (words are wind)  20:41, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Would you consider Gregoras' Chronicle a primary source? In section ten of page 243 in Schopen's 1829 edition of the work, it says "τῇ μὲν γὰρ ϑυγατρὶ ὀχταετεῖ πλέον ἢ τετταρακοντούτης ο Κράλης μιγεὶς βλαβῆναι τὴν ταύτης πέπραχε μήτραν, ὡς μηδὲ γονὴν ἐξ ἐχείγης ἔτι δύνασϑαι γίγνεσϑαι." Which, translated, reads, "The forty-year-old king raped the eight-year-old daughter and damaged her uterus so that she became unable to have children".
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 * And no, molesting eight-year-olds was not seen as at all acceptable behaviour in Milutin's time and place, that is part of why upsetting facts like this one were recorded.
 * 72.19.43.63 (talk) 03:12, 19 March 2024 (UTC)