Talk:Stephen Hillenburg/Archive 1

Recent edits
In this edit, Phil A. Fry added a whole lot of text that was straight copy/pasted from the Spongebob article. I've removed it for a number of reasons, mostly due to it somewhat being a replication of what was here before (e.g. search for the word 'Wormholes'), and also because it's off topic. What does one deleted scene from a Spongebob episode have to do with Hillenburg at all? I don't mind copying over some of the text, but a great deal more care could have been used to merge it with this article rather than just a quick copy-paste. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 15:11, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Other names
The other_names section of the Infobox actor template is not for typos. It is for other notable names for a person. Typos are trivial and generally don't belong here. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 23:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Stephen Hillenburg
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Stephen Hillenburg's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "OralHistory": From SpongeBob SquarePants (season 5):  From The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie:  From Rock Bottom (SpongeBob SquarePants):  From Pest of the West:  From Graveyard Shift (SpongeBob SquarePants):  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 05:57, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

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Requested edit: He was never a marine biologist
Hillenburg has only a bachelor's degree in "natural-resource planning and interpretation, with an emphasis on marine resources", and worked in marine science education. As far as I can see, he never did research in the field of marine biology, never was an author on a peer-reviewed paper in the field, etc. He was a science educator, not a marine biologist, and this article should reflect that. I do not have an account and cannot edit this protected page, so request that a registered user make the correction. 73.32.38.72 (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've changed the description here to read "former marine biology teacher", but if anyone has any objections, they might revert and hopefully you can discuss the matter with them here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:06, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 73.32.38.72 (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2018
Remove the awful and disgusting photo currently on there. 148.88.244.42 (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Offending user has also been permenently blocked. HapHaxion (talk / contribs) 19:03, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

In the first paragraph, change "which he also directed, produced, and written." to "which he also directed, produced, and wrote."
 * Duplicate request. See below.  RudolfRed (talk) 19:02, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2018
Please change "He was the creator of the Nickelodeon television series SpongeBob SquarePants (1999-2018), which he also directed, produced, and written" to "He was the creator of the Nickelodeon television series SpongeBob SquarePants (1999-2018), which he also directed, produced, and wrote" because the latter is grammatically correct. 143.195.111.113 (talk) 18:58, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks for pointing it out. RudolfRed (talk) 19:01, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2018
His photo is currently a picture of a penis, please change it back 38.103.38.200 (talk) 19:09, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It has been resolved and the offending editor blocked. Striker force Talk 19:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Extended-Protected edit request on 27 November 2018
He died on the 27th of November, not the 26th. Please correct that on the page. Dankmemeslol (talk) 23:27, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Why was the intro changed to list him as a marine biologist?
This was dealt with over a month ago:

Hillenburg has only a bachelor's degree in "natural-resource planning and interpretation, with an emphasis on marine resources", and worked in marine science education. As far as I can see, he never did research in the field of marine biology, never was an author on a peer-reviewed paper in the field, etc. He was a science educator, not a marine biologist, and this article should reflect that. I do not have an account and cannot edit this protected page, so request that a registered user make the correction. 73.32.38.72 (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've changed the description here to read "former marine biology teacher", but if anyone has any objections, they might revert and hopefully you can discuss the matter with them here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:06, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 73.32.38.72 (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Why was this change reverted? I can't see the reference that was posted because it is behind a paywall, but if it says that he was a marine biologist, it is wrong. Hillenburg has only a bachelor's degree in "natural-resource planning and interpretation, with an emphasis on marine resources", and worked in marine science education. As far as I can see, he never did research in the field of marine biology, never was an author on a peer-reviewed paper in the field, etc. He was a science educator, not a marine biologist. When the facts clearly indicate that a source is wrong, WP:COMMON applies here. Also, there are sources that list him as a marine biology teacher, not a marine biologist:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/obituaries/stephen-hillenburg-spongebob-squarepants-creator-dies-at-57.html

Since this issue had been discussed on the Talk page only a month before it was changed back to "marine biologist", it would have been really nice if it had been discussed there before being reverted back. Spitzberg80 (talk) 02:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Longest-running?

 * Lede section says currently: ""
 * The show is actually nowhere near the top of that list. I would suggest changing the link text to . Much more accurate and descriptive. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 04:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌: please first establish consensus. I'd say it's on the list, so it counts, but if consensus says otherwise reactivate the template and myself or another editor will implement the change.  Programming Geek talk to me 04:51, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

RFC

 * 1) Is it appropriate to describe Spongebob Squarepants as "one of the longest-running American television series",
 * 2) Is this description appropriate for the lede section of this BLP?
 * 3) Should it be repeated somewhere in the body?
 * 4) Should it replace the prose which describes it instead as "longest-running series on Nickelodeon"?
 * 5) At 19 years in production, "Spongebob" is #213 out of approximately 400 "longest-running American television series" according to the list article, which includes every series that has lasted at least ten years on air.
 * 6) A germane question to ask is whether Smallville would also qualify for this description: it is in the article, dead last.
 * 7) Proposal: describe "Spongebob" as "the longest-running series on Nickelodeon" which matches what is said in the article body, and allows us to conform to WP:LEDE, which says it is a summary of the article - we can't just make up fake exciting stuff to impress people. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 05:04, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm removing the RFC tag; it's not necessary and there's enough other editing. The lead now says "fifth longest-running American animated series", which appears accurate. I agree that at <20 years it's not "one of the longest-running American television series". power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 05:38, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

notable_works
firstly, "notable_works" is a standard parameter for Infobox person. It is not POV; in fact "notable" is a standard term throughout Wikipedia for works which enjoy substantial coverage in WP:RS.
 * If you dislike it being called "notable" then you can follow the documentation:
 * Also, surely you cannot be serious in asserting that "Spongebob" is not an order of magnitude more memorable than Hillenburg's other work, whatever that might be - I have no idea what else he did, and I barely know anything about "Spongebob". If there were ever a candidate for one single work to identify this creator, this would be it. 2600:8800:1880:188:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 04:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:EDITORIALIZING would beg to differ and says we should avoid using terms like that in order to maintain an impartial tone. Calling it "standard" is definitely a stretch. Not an appropriate term to have within infoboxes or article prose as it's a personal opinion. I also didn't like how solely listing one item in such a parameter incorrectly implied that nothing else he did was important to his career when he also was known for marine biology endeavors and working on the series Rocko's Modern Life. Furthermore, it's better to discuss one's works within article prose in the first place rather than overfill an infobox. SNUGGUMS (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 13:07, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 November 2018
in the first section of the article it mentions controversies surrounding spongebob's sexuality. This is not relevant biographical information for the beginning of the article, is never properly cited and doesn't come up again. Bmountfo (talk) 13:52, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅, although it may have relevance elsewhere in the article, if properly expanded. You are correct, though, that it doesn't seem appropriate for a lede. Striker force Talk 14:40, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Someone put innapropriate picture on article
Right when I enter I see a nake picture please remove. BrendanEicher (talk) 20:37, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, some vandal has been trying their best to put a giant picture of a penis on the page for quite a while now. It will be over when an admin protects the page, since now their account is indeffed. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

SpongeBob SquarePants section strays from topic
I think the section Stephen_Hillenburg is overblown, strays too far from a biography, and has relatively trivial content better discussed at the article for the cartoon itself. It should be judiciously condensed. Particularly, the "Broadcast" and "Controversy" subsections seem particularly tacked on and extraneous: the fact that they are padded with quotes from Hillenburg does not make them any more essential to his biography. Thoughts? --Animalparty! (talk) 22:15, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 December 2018
I would like to edit the Spongebob TV Show line to say "1999-his death 2018". 173.18.38.180 (talk) 19:54, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. It's unclear exactly which part you are asking us to change. If you could be more specific, that would be helpful. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Should the upcoming Super Bowl performance be added to the article?
Either its own section or it could be added to his legacy section or something. If you guys don't know what I am talking about, there is an episode of the show that is one of the more popular ones and in it Squidward assembles a band with all the recurring characters in the show and they get booked to play in the "Bubble Bowl" which is their version of the Super Bowl and for their performance they sing a song called Sweet Victory.

Anyway, with the creators death a couple months ago, people started petitions to get the NFL to play this song during the halftime show. Eventually from there, it spread in popularity and people even got in touch with actors who worked on the show as well as Maroon 5 and convinced them to do the song. Since then, the guy who does the voice of Patrick has confirmed on his Twitter or Facebook that there will be a SpongeBob appearance in halftime, Maroon 5 hinted at it on their Instagram page, and reporters at the Mercedes Benz stadium have confirmed they've seen and heard the song playing and the band rehearsing it along with providing photo/video footage as proof.

Anyway, the Super Bowl is in just 1 day now so we don't need to post all the speculation because we will be able to see if they did indeed do this SpongeBob performance or not but I do think this should be added to the article once the show has taken place. TheSameGuy (talk) 03:28, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

You should add the NHL Dallas Stars Halftime Show Save The Mysterious Man 42 (talk) 00:36, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Why was the intro changed to list him as a marine biologist?
This was dealt with back in October 2018:

Hillenburg has only a bachelor's degree in "natural-resource planning and interpretation, with an emphasis on marine resources", and worked in marine science education. As far as I can see, he never did research in the field of marine biology, never was an author on a peer-reviewed paper in the field, etc. He was a science educator, not a marine biologist, and this article should reflect that. I do not have an account and cannot edit this protected page, so request that a registered user make the correction. 73.32.38.72 (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ I've changed the description here to read "former marine biology teacher", but if anyone has any objections, they might revert and hopefully you can discuss the matter with them here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:06, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! 73.32.38.72 (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Why was this change reverted? I can't see the reference that was posted because it is behind a paywall, but if it says that he was a marine biologist, it is wrong. Hillenburg has only a bachelor's degree in "natural-resource planning and interpretation, with an emphasis on marine resources", and worked in marine science education. As far as I can see, he never did research in the field of marine biology, never was an author on a peer-reviewed paper in the field, etc. He was a science educator, not a marine biologist. When the facts clearly indicate that a source is wrong, WP:COMMON applies here. Also, there are sources that list him as a marine biology teacher, not a marine biologist:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/obituaries/stephen-hillenburg-spongebob-squarepants-creator-dies-at-57.html

Since this issue had been discussed on the Talk page only a month before it was changed back to "marine biologist", it would have been really nice if it had been discussed there before being reverted back. Spitzberg80 (talk) 02:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Corrected. 73.32.38.72 (talk) 21:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)