Talk:Stewie Griffin/Archive 2

Stewie's communicaton with adults
the episode Whistle While Your Wife Works affirms that adults can hear Stewie because Jillian understood him either that or Jillian is retarded and is a similar situation to Quantum Leap where adults cant see Al but children can Redsox00002 04:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * There are many examples of people understanding Stewie. Strangely, a lot of them are in the early seasons, and yet people still aren't clear about it. If I get my other projects done maybe I'll make a list of them all. 70.66.9.162 01:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The producers have acknowledged in interviews that sometimes people understand what Stewie is saying, and sometimes they don't &mdash; it's inconsistent. An in-show example from the "Petoria" episode: when a future history class covers the Griffin's secession from the United States, all the student wants to know is if the adults understand what the baby is saying.


 * I don't have a link handy, but I think Seth MacFarlane has offered the explanation that adults don't take him seriously because he's a baby, and therefore ignore him to the point they don't realize all he's up to (potentially to their peril). The episode where Lois realizes it all in a dream (and forgets upon waking) fits with this explanation. We can expect the show to break continuity with that explanation as soon as doing so services a gag.


 * My own theory, which will be Wiki-useless: Stewie is talking in baby talk, translated for the home audience. This is what really goes through the minds of babies. / edgarde 01:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone ought to get names, quotes, and dates for things the producers say that's relevant. In particular it would be nice to have a timeline of those versus that comment of Seth McFarlane's.


 * So I've analyzed most of Family Guy up till episode 508 (season five, episode eight, based on air dates iirc). I don't expect these to be integrated into the article, nor did I even intend them to make a mark on any article, but I suppose they could be a useful guide to some people. This is out of interest.


 * These are episodes in which I interpreted there to be strong evidence for Stewie's ability to communicate with adults (and in some cases older children). Most were explicit in that people spoke to his words, and in some cases I included songs when they were in conjunction with other characters but stricly speaking he could be babbling. I didn't however include most times where people acted according to his words but didn't speak, since it was often very ambiguous, and when he would have had to speak intelligibly to get into some situation. I did include communications that were obvious but didn't exactly make sense with a baby's involvement (Stewie yelling at his prostitutes for example) . Here we go: 507 505 504 427 426 425 422 419 416 415 414 411 409 408 406 401 322 321 320 318 316 315 312 311 309 307 306 304 303 302 210 202 201 107 106 104 103 and 102 (the first time when Brian spoke with Stewie, because I didn't count others).


 * These ones had communications but they took place in scenes away from the preceeding one in time and place (the non-sequitors): 410 308 217 207.


 * With these I either little understanding or more likely there was too much ambiguity, if people could have been considered to have acted based on Stewie's activity, gesturing, etc: 508 424 423 421 420 418 417 412 407 405 404 403 319 317 313 211 209 208 203 105 101.


 * I missed these in my early viewings, or didn't have scripts for them, and I don't feel like doing any more: 506 503 502 501 402 314 305 220 219 218 216 215 214 213 212.


 * Here are the episodes where Stewie dreams or fantasizes and communication is involved, but there was nothing else: 310 301 221 217 206 205 204.


 * So that's thirty-eight episodes with positive evidence verus forty-seven episodes with a lack of evidence, by conservative counting. I wasn't watching for it at the time because there was nothing like it from episode 508 to a long way down (the order I went), but I don't think there are more but a small handful of episodes with negative evidence. In the early episodes sometimes people would seem to have not understood Stewie, but later on in some of those they would clearly understand.


 * I counted the scenes that seemed to take place within the episode but don't really make a lot of sense for a baby. That sort of canonization doesn't make much sense for an episodic cartoon like this. Does Stewie really sing to the elderly; did he really have an agent tied up? It doesn't really matter because it's a cartoon where anything can happen as long as it's funny, and episodes don't allude to much of anything from the past. I don't think there is anything to be gained from that sort of analysis. I decided to count those cases however because they seemed to show the writer's conception of Stewie, even if they didn't really happen.
 * I counted the scenes that seemed to take place within the episode but don't really make a lot of sense for a baby. That sort of canonization doesn't make much sense for an episodic cartoon like this. Does Stewie really sing to the elderly; did he really have an agent tied up? It doesn't really matter because it's a cartoon where anything can happen as long as it's funny, and episodes don't allude to much of anything from the past. I don't think there is anything to be gained from that sort of analysis. I decided to count those cases however because they seemed to show the writer's conception of Stewie, even if they didn't really happen.


 * So, imo, Stewie is definitely understandable now even if he wasn't in the past, which I also dispute.


 * It's time to do something way more fun. 70.66.9.162 08:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

On "Lois and the Fat Man"
I think it should probably mention the time when he slaps his older self for calling them "mommy" and "daddy". I would've changed it myself, but I can't remember the episode name.

It's "Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure"--BrianGriffin-FG 19:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Categories
Removed the following: Family Guy is a gag-oriented show that routinely breaks continuity for one-shot jokes and one-episode situations. Stewie is not a notable example of any of the above character traits.
 * Category:Fictional bisexuals
 * Category:Fictional multiracial characters
 * Category:Fictional murderers

Fictional murderer comes close, but none of his murders come close to being treated as such. For example, when Stewie kills the vaudeville guys, there's no danger of consequences for his actions, nor is anyone afraid of him for having done this. Stewie may as well have spilled whiteout over them and then blackmailed the producer to never show those characters again &mdash; doing so would have been more in the spirit of that joke than Stewie being arrested for killing those characters.

If there were a category for Fictional always-thwarted murders, Stewie would be next to Wile E. Coyote for his recurring matricidal ambition.

His notability as a biracial or bisexual fall very clearly in the category one-shot jokes and one-episode situations. Every main character in Family Guy is a relative of Peter Griffin, who was a trace African in one episode; every main character in Family Guy has (or will) have a homosexual encounter cos it's an easy joke. None of these things are notable examples. / edgarde 01:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The closest he has ever come to actual murder is an episode that aired 20 days after this was originally posted, so its rather irrevalent, but still, in Patriot Games, he nearly kills Brian over a $50 debt, but is at the end of the episode, pushed in front of a bus. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink  *Get to the bunker*  00:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Dexterity
Is Stewie left-handed? It seems to me that he is... Daniel J. Forman 07:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point. I never thought of that.--BrianGriffin-FG 19:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The MySpace Talkshow
Shouldn't we include, if not a full section, a mention of that new "Late Night with Brian & Stewie" show that they're showing on MySpace? I would do it, but I haven't seen it. I heard about it on a commercial on FOX with Seth McFarline (I know I'm going to get heat for that).--BrianGriffin-FG 18:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Stewie's sexual ambiguity...
How is his reaction to his virginity some 30 years later considered "speculation"? In Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure, Stewie does go to a lot of trouble to get his older self to sleep with someone for his own satisfaction. In the very least, his lack of sexual knowledge is proven by his inability to instruct Stu on what to do in bed. Personally, I saw no reason to change that part of the article. SuperSonicTH 03:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * His status 30 years in the future may have changed because of actions taken during that episode, so his future sexuality (as based on evidence from Stu and Stewie's Excellent Adventure) is a "may or may not be" that would bog down in a longish (pointless and spoiler-filled) discussion of that episode's details. Meanwhile, the show freely breaks continuity, and would almost certainly deviate from whatever outcomes we could derive from such reasoning.


 * Anyway, none of this impacts on the sexuality of the character in other episodes. Unless, of course, the writers choose to reference it again. Could happen, but to the best of my knowledge, hasn't. Until then, his virginity at 30-ish is a one-episode situation best considered on the page for that episode. / edgarde 14:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Guns list
Snipped this from the Personality section because it seemed rambling and tangential. However, since it might be helpful in describing Stewie's personality (especially if these weapon choices are meaningful to gun enthusiasts), perhaps someone can fill it out with episode details, then sort into chronological order. If the use gives away a punchline, might be better to just say "gag" instead of spoiling the a joke.

This list is probably WP:TRIVIA in Wikipedia Stewie Griffin article, and may be better-suited to a list article, or on http://familyguy.wikia.com or http://guns.wikia.com. / edgarde 20:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture
Will someone please put a better picture of Stewie? Replay7 17:01, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I put a new one. Happy now? --98E 22:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

STEWIE'S FOOTBALL SHAPED HEAD
I like Stewie's football shaped head. Which is correct? Stewie's birthday (He was born that way.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pFm8ASMq44 Stewie hits head (He got it by the accident.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R4wQrm7z1c&mode=related&search


 * Neither.
 * He's a cartoon, and was drawn that way. Explanations given in the show should be considered jokes. / edgarde 17:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

And it's not shaped like a football. It's shaped like a Rugby ball.

It sure looks football shaped to me. I have a clip on how to draw Stewie and the artist of Stewie mentions football shape.

In the UK, what we call a football you will know as a soccer ball. Your football is similar to our rugby balls.

He was born like that.--BrianGriffin-FG 22:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay if you guys would watch Family Guy it's a football not a roughby ball okay. And he was'nt born like that.--King Nitro 01:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)Nitro

World domination
To my knowledge, Stewie only actually tries to conquer the world on one occasion. Furthermore with regards to categories I have on numerous occasions attempted to add Stewie to the categories of Supervillains, Fictional dictators and Fictional bisexuals however someone keeps removing them for some reason.

YourLord


 * I would be one of those people. Please don't restore those categories. Here are some reasons:
 * Stewie is not a notable example of a fictional bisexual &mdash; he's never had sex, and he's a baby.
 * Stewie has never been a dictator.
 * As for supervillian, where is the hero protagonist? Stewie is too powerless to be a supervillian. Stewie has the affectations of a supervillian, and maybe fancies himself to be one, but by those standards he's also an englishman.
 * Have some restraint with this. Because of the quantity of gags and situations, FG characters can cruft up the categories considerably. / edgarde 13:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Stewie is indeed bisexual as he has on numerous occasions formed sexual liaisons with both men and women. His ambiguous sexuality is as big a part of his personality as his diabolical genius. As for supervillain, he's an evil genius isn't he? Isn't that a type of supervillain? He is capable of creating highly sophisticated and effective weapons of destruction, for example his laser-gun which he always carries around with him and of course his mind-control device to name but a few. He is obviously capable of conquering the world but is usually inadvertantly thwarted by his mother. You could say that she is the hero-protagonist, even if she isn't aware of it. I wouldn't call Stewie powerless at all. Unfortunate perhaps but not powerless. He has on a number of occasions used his technological expertise and Machiavellian intelligence to take control of the situation when no-one else around him could. For instance when his sister whose name I can never remember was being menaced by the "man in white", Stewie vaporised him with his laser-gun.


 * When people know they've lost, they'll never respond. --86.135.165.198 (talk) 20:14, 30 December 2008 (UTC)