Talk:Summer Science Program

Expanding the article
We must expand this article!! --BorisFromStockdale 20:13, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I take it that you have attended this program? I will be attending this program this upcoming summer; it sounds fun. However, I'm concerned over the fact that the article is simply a copy of the information on the SSP website.Mipchunk 06:27, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I was a SSP reject last year (was a sophomore), and went early entrance so I'm ineligible for application this year. So sadly, I do not know much information that's outside of the website. Simfish 04:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

List cleanup
Cleanup re: list of "Notable alumni" to fit WP:LIST: added list intro/deflist, definition "Notable" means they merit articles, Word "Notable" not normally in list titles, tables are discouraged, and "Noted for" is a redundant column (notability is already enumerated in the entries article). Some have no reference showing they were in the program (one fixed, others should be added to the bio article of the person in question). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:14, 15 February 2012 (UTC)


 * One of the most common complaints about Notable Alumni lists on WP is that there is not adequate evidence of notability. The deleted list was very good in that regard.  I think it is a shame to lose that, though I agree that the list became overwhelming as it grew.


 * It is wrong to make the inclusion of people on the list be determined solely by whether they have a WP page. The issue should be whether the people meet WP:Notability (people), not whether articles have already been created for them.  For example, the proposed WP:Notable Alumni policy had suggested that people should be included as notable if "the reason they don't have an article is because, although it would qualify under WP:BIO, the article simply hasn't been created yet." (while that never became policy, it is a concise statement that is supported by existing policy).


 * Furthermore, for lists of people, the requirement for notability is reduced by WP:LISTPEOPLE. People notable for a single event can be included, based on the importance of the event and the relevance to the subject article (SSP).  Citations were provided that meet that requirement (until you deleted them).


 * I think these considerations could certainly be considered to be applicable to Ken Ouchi, developer of RAID storage. A Google search for Ouchi and RAID gets a quarter of a million hits, and while all do not relate to Ken Ouchi, it is clear he is someone very well known in the trade, who is notable for an industry-creating invention.  I really am surprised that an article never has been written about him.  Franklin Antonio and many of the others you deleted are others who I would wonder why nobody ever created a page for them.


 * They meet the Notability requirement that "he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." If you are going to remove someone from the list whose notability had been explained before you deleted it, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that that individual does not meet that requirement.  It is nowhere close to sufficient to just say they don't have a WP page.


 * And for those known for a single thing such as the head of a physics/astronomy department of a major university, the clear relevance to SSP makes them notable for the purpose of this list.
 * --RichardMathews (talk) 02:43, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Not to be lazy but WP:BURDEN is exactly the opposite, the burden is on the editor who wants to include something (someone) to prove they should be included. There is no way to find the cutoff of who to include/who not to include in a list like this unless it is by notability. Wikipedia clearly defines notability (in fact its policy). So asking that they have an article is perfectly reasonable since the person in question has passed the WP:NN process (it keeps the decision from being arbitrary, its passed many editors). If you think someone is being missed it is perfectly reasonable to red-link them into the list or even add a stub article with the references. There are lots of editors out there who will put in there two cents about notability. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 04:19, 16 February 2012 (UTC)