Talk:Superboy

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Now I remember why I stopped buying DC comic books. Infinite Crisis and the lack of consistency denoting some pride that had been a seal for so long after Crisis of Infinite Earths. The turn to the Pre-Crisis era was a good sign for me. All Byrne's, Jurgen's and so on's work... and then Krypto and a Smallville Luthor should appear again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.56.180.149 (talk) 15:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Location of Smallville
A map of Smallville appeared in a New Adventures of Superboy issue, either #14 or #24. The letters page to Adventure#283 stated Smallville was on the East Coast.


 * I believe Mark Gruenwald's Amazing World of DC Comics article in issue @14 placed Smallville in Maryland, near Metropolis in Delaware. I also saw (but no longer have) a map published in the newspaper strip of Super Friends (was it World's Greatest Heroes?) showing the East Coast DC cities.  I believe E. Nelson Bridwell wrote that.


 * The Kansas reference, I believe, was started by John Byrne, baased on the well publicised fact that the Salkind movie of Superman was filmed in that state.


 * A map of Metropolis published in a 1980's Legion of Super Heroes placed Smallville in upstate New York. Can';t cite the issue at the moment.  I believe that it was pre-Man of Steel, but I'm not certain. Icarus 23 20:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I've urged a merge
There is an Earth Prime Superboy article that I believe should be merged into this article. There is some duplication between these articles, but this Superboy article is more comprehensive and the random user will be more likely to hit this page than one entitled Earth Prime Superboy. The additional information in the EP Superboy article can and should be incorporated into this article. Madman 19:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Kusonaga 10:04, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I wonder if a separate page for the Earth Prime Superboy might eventually be warranted, considering that there are hints that he will remain as a DC Universe supervillain after the Infinite Crisis series is over. Best to wait and see what happens, though, of course. Kaijan 01:48, 2 February 2006 (UTC)


 * If he does get his own article, it should be called Superboy-Prime. --DrBat 01:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Unmergin' Superboy-Prime
he needs his own article and i'm doin' it becaue it's 3AM and i'm bored.

Superboy litigation
hey can someone point me to some reports on the superboy litigation besides newsarama? --Exvicious 23:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler alert!
HEY! A *Spoiler-Alert* should be made, about the death of superboy!!! I am not sure how to do this properly, and I am too lazy to find out how (sorry) but I think it is a necessity. Thalleck 02:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Will do; just add and  around that bit. (See Template Talk:spoiler for more details.)  (Oh, and use the ~ convenience to sign your work, so you won't mistype March for May. :) ) --Joe Sewell 16:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm super, boy
OK, no expert on him, but I've read (Daniels, DC Comics) his first app was 1-2/45, & the book debuted 3-4/49. Can anybody confirm? Also (& I love this), Daniels says the first LSH story has him rejected for membership because his powers were boring... Trekphiler 09:25 & 10:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * He debuted in More Fun Comics in 1945, and got his own book in 1949. Also, Shuster drew the first story, so I'm editing the ref. on no permission from him out of the page. Icarus 23 20:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Robert Bernstein vs. Jerry Siegel
Sources vary about whether Siegel wrote the first Superboy story or not. Some claim that the script was mostly his, and changed slightly to have him dinning the costume at the end. Others claim Robert Bernstein wrote the first story. As I don't have the time to reseach this right now, I'm dropping a note here so that someone (maybe me later) can get back to this. Ultimately, the only way to tell is to compare a copy of the original script (if it still exists) to the published story. Icarus 23 20:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

=Death did not appear in that issue
= The Pocket Universe Superboy was soon killed (as seen in Legion of Super-Heroes (volume 4) #38, taken by Neil Gaiman's Death).

No, Death appeared in the next volume's #38, in which the Earth was blown up.

21:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Enda80

Superboy reorganization
I think there should be a Superboy (Kal-El) article stemmed off from this article. This isn't a case of the original Superboy "deserving" this main page, but more because there is a lot of history with the character and this article is kind of limited by a need to address the subsequent versions of the character. Also, I think the section on the lawsuit can be expanded and explored.

Previous examples of a split off of the most prominent character can be seen in
 * Nightwing --> Dick Grayson
 * Supergirl --> Supergirl (Kara Zor-El)
 * To a lesser extent Sentry (comics) --> Sentry (Robert Reynolds)
 * Blue Beetle

Etc. all. I'm being BOLD about this, but I'll listen to opinions about the situation. Since I'm going to expand these sections, we might just end up with a larger article if everyone's convinced otherwise. --EXV // + @ 23:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Revisions August 2007
In the last several days, I've made a number of revisions to the Superboy article, adding some content (such as the "Other versions" section), editing a number of sections (especially "Kal-El"), and adding references, particular in sections where other contributors have flagged problems. I have also commented out or removed a few unsourced statements, such as the reason for the cancellation of Superboy v3 in 2002.

Because of these edits, I'm also commenting out the tags citing "unverifiable claims", "original research", and "lack of references." I'm not sure if this is the proper procedure or not, but I don't think the tags are valid at the moment. Spiderboy12 15:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I made some revisions to the "Infinite Crisis" section and moved it so that it was a subsection of "Post-Crisis appearances of Superboy (Kal-El)." Though the "Infinite Crisis" section refers to a young Clark Kent/Kal-El who is never actually called "Superboy" (though he is called "Super-Boy" on occasion), to me, this still seems to be the best place for this section. Spiderboy12 04:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Post-Infinite Crisis: Ages of Clark and Lex
One or more anonymous users have lately been insisting that, post-Infinite Crisis:


 * When Clark joins the Legion of Super-Heroes, he is in his late teens, around 18 or so. One revision had him "traveling around the world" before joining the Legion.


 * While Clark is a teenager, Lex spends just a few months in Smallville, and he is around ten years or so older than Lex.

To clarify their actual ages: Action Comics #858 (Dec 2007) depicts Clark's first meeting with the Legion. Clark's age is not specified. He meets them one day after school, and visually, he appears closer to 14 than to 18. Like Superman clearly states in the comic (as I quoted in the article), Clark would have adventures with the Legion "between school days" and "between classes". That doesn't sound like his "late teens". Note that I'm not citing his age in my revisions to this article.

In the animated television series Legion of Super-Heroes, Clark is about 18 when he joins the Legion. However, the Infinite Crisis section is about the comics, not the cartoon. They do NOT share the same continuity.

With regard to Lex, the short biography in Countdown #34 (Sep 5, 2007) has this to say about Lex's tenure in Smallville. I quote in full (emphasis mine):

"Son of Metropolis mogul Lionel Luthor and his socialite spouse Letitia, Lex Luthor spent much of his teenage years in Smallville, under the care of his aunt Lena. Perhaps his parents thought that fresh Midwestern air and smalltown values might cure Lex of his annoying propensity for always acting like the smartest guy in the room. There Lex might even find friends...albeit reluctantly, as was his way. Or he might just leave in haste under a cloud of rumor and suspicion--friendless and envious of others' lives once more."

Included is a picture of teenage Lex with his teenage peers Clark, Pete, and Lana. Action Comics #850 includes a passage where Lana and Clark talk about Clark befriending the Luthor "kid".

In the TV series Smallville, Lex IS several years older than Clark. Once again, however, this passage refers to the comic, not Smallville.

I hope this settles the issue of Clark and Lex's ages in the COMICS set in the main DC Universe. Spiderboy12 (talk) 07:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Andy Warhol's Superboy
I removed the reference to this film because: (1) The film was never released to the public. (2) The film is about as unknown as a film can get. I can find no details about the production or the plot. (3) It isn't clear that Warhol's Superboy has a connection with the DC Comics character. A blonde, unidentified surfer plays "Superboy" (see his image here ) and for all I know, the "Superboy" character is just a "super-surfer" in this film. Spiderboy12 (talk) 03:21, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Legal reaction and use of Superboy name...
In reading CBR and Newsarama's articles about Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds, I found most of the references of were for Superboy Prime. With the recent ruling has DC relaxed their ban of the Superboy name? -66.109.248.114 (talk) 03:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC).

WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb (talk) 17:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Superboy publications
If we're going to include information on the different Superboy comic book series in the infobox, then I suggest we include New Adventures of Superboy and the entire series based on the TV series (I realize it underwent a name change, from Superboy to Adventures of Superboy, but I suggest we treat it as a single series to avoid confusion). Perhaps we could add a new section briefly describing the history of each publication--or add a bibiliography section. If we do that, perhaps we can delete the small article on Superboy: The Comic Book, and have that title (as well as New Adventures of Superboy) redirect here. Any thoughts? Spiderboy12 (talk) 06:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That actually sounds like a good idea. Keep in mind though that "Publication history" (something that would fit this article) is going to be intrinsically real world context, so there would be very, very little room in it for plot summary. But that really shouldn't be a problem with the material from the Superboy: The Comic Book article... and it may just be a little "shuffling" of existing sections... (Superboy) - J Greb (talk) 16:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll work on adding something after Christmas. I agree that much of it may just be shuffling existing material already, perhaps adding under new subsections under "Kal-El" and "Kon-El" just for the periodicals. Spiderboy12 (talk) 21:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've made my edits. I've rearranged and expanded some of the content so that this article would have brief discussions of the four ongoing Superboy series published by DC. This means that the parts of the article devoted to Kal-El and Kon-El are not strictly chronological, but now the part of the publishing history of each character devoted to different titles (in Kal-El's case, this includes Adventure Comics) is more clearly delineated. I've also made a number of minor edits and corrections.

I also added New Adventures of Superboy to the infobox (after playing around with adding it as a separate infobox, and not being satisfied with the result). This necessitated spelling out Superboy (vol 1), etc., to distinguish the three volumes of Superboy from New Adventures. I also expanded Superboy (vol 1) and Superboy (vol 2) to include the issues published after the name changes (with the name changes noted in the info box). In both cases, the name change was incidental (the cover logo had already changed, and in the case of S&LSH, the content had long since changed), and I also don't think that in either case, there is any point in having either separate infoboxes or separate articles for the series. I'm less sure that my changes are consistent with format standards for combined character/series infoboxes, but I'm not clear that there is a better way to do this for the four Superboy series, except to have four separate (and cumbersome) series infoboxes.

I invite comments, criticisms and suggestions. Spiderboy12 (talk) 02:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Just a few changes...
 * The 'box is designed to accommodate multiple series, this was done to eliminate the need for, in this case, 5 info boxes - 1 for each series and 1 for the character set index.
 * The idea of the headers is to keep it simple, and consistent. I've flipped them back and shortened the The New Adventures of Superboy to "The New Adventures of...". The expanded title is covered, or should be, in the article text.
 * For simplicity, the series that are identical in a particular aspect should be listed together under one header. This happens under the schedule (2 monthly only runs) and the main characters (2 that featured the Clark Kent/Kal-El comic book version of the character).
 * The "New Adventures" is a reasonable addition, it's thematically in line with how Superman (comic book) handles the Adventures of Superman run. So is the indicia change for the series based on the TV show. But the S&LSH isn't. Slotting it in here would also argue for slotting it into a 'box covering the Legion of Super-Heroes titles since it is a numbering bridge from Superboy to Legion of Super-Heroes. A short note in the 'box of the indicia change is good enough to explain the truncation. There should be a bit more in the body of the article covering that the focus an cover title of the first volume changed well before the indicia did.
 * A bit of a personal preference, but the notes about the "continued from/as" or the "indicia changed" should be footnotes. This is also to keep the 'box as simple and short as possible.
 * - J Greb (talk) 03:43, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds fine to me. The name changes for the Superboy/Legion are covered in the text, including the latter change to Legion of Super-Heroes with #259. Spiderboy12 (talk) 04:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

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Consensus on Jonathan Kent (Superboy) article
I'm starting a consensus discussion regarding the new Superboy character Jonathan Kent, and if the character deserves his own article. I have already written an article about the character, you can read the article at User:Rootone/Jonathan Kent (Superboy). Please note that the character Jonathan Kent is NOT Jon Lane Kent, they are in fact two very different people with different origins. And also part of the reason I specifically created an article about Jonathan Kent. The character (Jonathan Kent) need a separated article for several reasons: DC Comics has already confirmed that he is the new Superboy and he will star in his own comic book series "Super sons" with Damian Wayne debuting in September. His father the pre-Flashpoint Superman is going to be the new Superman in DC Rebirth. And from the DC Comics solicitations the entire Kent family is going to be heavily featured in Superman related comics, especially Jonathan as the new Superboy. Not to mention that the Kent family currently stars in their own comic book series " Superman: Lois and Clark". Lot of things are happening to this character now and in the near future, which means a lot of information will be added about the character. And sooner or later his going to need a article of his own. The article I wrote is a start article, but it has the potential to grow into a more substantial article. I will continue to add info to the article and welcome any help with contributing and editing with the page. Thank you.--Rootone (talk) 07:24, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

I think Jon deserves his own page--eventually. I'd wait for him to actually become Superboy, though. Perhaps in September, when the Super Sons comic series starts, or whenever he actually debuts as Superboy (perhaps during the "Son of Superman" story arc in the upcoming, new volume of Superman) this summer. Spiderboy12 (talk) 20:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

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