Talk:Surf Stadium

Requested move 1

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. — ΛΧΣ  21  02:54, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Bernie Robbins Stadium → Surf Stadium – Stadium was renamed over the summer. Radiokid1010 (talk) 01:05, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: No source is cited in the article to confirm that. What is the WP:COMMONNAME that is used to refer to it? That matters more than the WP:OFFICIALNAME (whatever it is). —BarrelProof (talk) 02:35, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean by that, but I just added a source to the page, so hopefully that's what you were looking for. --Radiokid1010 (talk) 23:33, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm glad to see that a source is now cited. To clarify what I meant, when something is given a new official name, that does not necessarily change the name that people ordinarily use to refer to it. The Wikipedia policy on the topic can be found at WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME. It would be nice to know whether the new official name has been embraced by the general public in common use. (For this venue, it may not actually be discussed enough in reliable sources to know whether people are using the new name or not.) However, a this point I don't have a strong feeling on the subject one way or another. —BarrelProof (talk) 15:47, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose I see no sources out there to confirm that the stadium was renamed. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a press article from August 2012 confirming the name change . --Radiokid1010 (talk) 23:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * And I just added a source to the page. --Radiokid1010 (talk) 23:34, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 15:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Bernie Robbins Stadium → Surf Stadium – Stadium was renamed in the summer of 2012. Radiokid1010 (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The same move request, from the same user, was just closed today. Nothing about the situation has changed. We don't seem to have any evidence that the WP:COMMONNAME has changed, although now we have one source indicating that the WP:OFFICIALNAME has changed. Since the same request was just evaluated and not accepted, let's give this some time before considering it again. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:19, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, considering that the stadium has not yet ever actually operated under its new official name, it seems unlikely that the general public will adopt the new official name anytime soon. It seems much more likely that the stadium will usually be referred to as "the old Sandcastle Stadium" or "Bernie Robbins Stadium" until the situation changes significantly. The general public probably does not care much about the name of an empty stadium. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by all this Common Name and Official Name stuff. The stadium officially changed names in 2009, and was used for a regional baseball tournament just days after the name changed to Surf Stadium. I mean, what else do I have to do to get the name changed? Any help I could get would be very appreciated. --Radiokid1010 (talk) 02:22, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't understand why you are saying "The stadium officially changed names in 2009". The referenced source says the official name change happened "on Wednesday" and it was published on 12 April 2012, so it seems to be saying that the name change happened on 11 April 2012, not in 2009. —BarrelProof (talk) 03:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, it seems that the baseball tournament that you are referring to was actually cancelled and that the stadium was not in adequate condition. According to this article, dated, 6 June 2012, the event (which as supposed to happen in 2012) had to be cancelled because the stadium was not ready. The article says "the city has not committed to completing upgrades" and goes into various details about how the city would not let the organizer see the field and the contract negotiations fell apart and which aspects were not ready. —BarrelProof (talk) 03:47, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I did some more digging. A league for 14-year-olds held a regional tournament there a few months later (in August). Here is an article about that. Perhaps this other event is what you were referring to. —BarrelProof (talk) 03:56, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


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Any news?
Someone just made an undiscussed move of the article from "Bernie Robbins Stadium" to "Surf Stadium" and then another editor removed practically all mention of the name "Bernie Robbins Stadium" from the article (including removing the boldface name from the lead section). That's certainly not acceptable. I did a web search and could not find any news updates about the stadium after the minor events that were held there about a year ago (which were already in the article when we had the last two move discussions shown above). Since the park is basically still not operating, it is presumably still best known under its former name. If someone disagrees with that assessment, they should submit a formal move request and have the question discussed properly. Even if the result is a move, the article should retain prominent mentions of the former name under which it operated for some years. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:17, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There was another undiscussed move a few hours ago. I have reverted the change. Please see prior comments above. No new information seems to have been added to show that the situation has fundamentally changed. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:19, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * There was another undiscussed move about an hour ago. I have reverted the change. There is a process for determining consensus about the name of an article. It should be followed. WP:Move warring is not appropriate. —BarrelProof (talk) 03:55, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Moved back to Surf Stadium
Because that is the OFFICIAL name of the stadium NOW. Per the AtlanticCape Community College Men's Baseball website (see here) They play at Surf Stadium NOT Bernie Robbins. YborCityJohn (talk) 16:28, 25 September 2015 (UTC)