Talk:Suruga Bay

left hand side?
Dear LordAmeth. Dear MightyAtom. You replaced the figure 1. Will you check please, if it corresponds to the description in the article? What part of the bay, as it is shown in ths figure, is open ot the Ocean? The previous version represented the view from Izu... Now, it seems, Isu is at front, and the right hand side is open to the ocean. dima 14:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I heart a story about puritans who used to put trowsers on the statue of Appolon..


 * I don't think this has much to do with puritanism. It's a nice photo of somebody's wife or middle-aged partner, perhaps; but regardless of whether it represents the view from Izu, representing that view is obviously not the focus, or the focal point, of the photo. Because the person is the focal point of the photo, she distracts (to say the least) from any relevance to the article content. I suggest posting this photo elsewhere where it will be better appreciated and replacing it with another taken from the same location. (The Hiroshige print should stay too—that's a nice touch.) Best regards, Jim_Lockhart 09:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I concur. This isn't about some kneejerk reaction to "pornography" or nudity or whatever - it's just not an appropriate picture. The woman, not the bay, is the focus of the image, and the remainder is just a rocky beach - doesn't really give any impression of what Suruga specifically looks like. LordAmeth 10:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

If Suruga Bay were a nude beach, then the photo might be appropriate. (Although, even the article for nude beach does not have full frontal nudity.) If you have another picture of just the bay, please upload that. MightyAtom 04:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

0. I have some to upload, but I adraid that purists will complain about partial nudity too. Consider to include FujiFromSurigaBay.jpg, the people there occupy only few percent of area of the pic, and even these few percents are mainly dress. You may refer it as "Fig 1", then you can recover the statement about "left hans side is open to Sea.."; Mention that if is view from Izu. Then, the painting by LordAmeth can become "Fig 2". Lord captured very interesting phenomenon: there are almost no waves in the vay, but strong waves at the West

1. "Deepest" means latitude. It is amaising, highest altitude (Fuji) is so close to the lowese latitude... Good luck. dima 08:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Ooops. the link above is not clickable. Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image%3AFujiFromSurigaBay.jpg 130.153.147.57 13:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Honestly, it still just seems like an attempt to sneak some photos of some girl onto wikipedia as a joke or something. Unless there are some pictures were people are not the main focus, then I think we should stick with the print for now. MightyAtom 04:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Likewise. And I don't see how latitude can mean deepest, either. Further the article—as it was before I rewrote it the other night—contained some rather strange English as well. Was otherwise occupied over the weekend, though, so I didn't get around to adding new material. FWIW, Jim_Lockhart 05:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear MightyAtom. Dear LordAmeth. I respect your preference and orientation. Unfortunately, currently I do not have a pic with a boy in water. Therefore I upload the pic with nobody. Sincerely, dima 03:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello Dima, This article is not about girls or boys, nor is it about preference or orientation; it's about Suruga Bay. Thank you for uploading a new photo that concentrates the viewer's attention on Suruga Bay. Fg2 05:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Article text
What does "Suruga Bay is the deepest (2500m latitude) bay around Japan." mean? Depth? Length? Latitude? Also, the description (central vs. north, left side, right side) needs cleaning up. —wwoods 16:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You're quite right— the body text is full of errors anyhow, and needs to be copyedited. (done) I'll try to pad out the article with material from the Japanese at the weekend. The bay being open to the sea favoring tektonic [sic] activity is an amusing perspective... . Jim_Lockhart 16:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite of March 11
I'm trying to avoid during my taxes and all the other work piled up on my desk, so I decided to give this a go.... Dimo's new photo looks real good and is just about perfect; if he could recrop it so the rocks in the foreground would be more visible, it would be perfect. Also, it'd be nice if could identify where he took the photo from. It looks like somewhere around Osezaki, but I'm not really sure (I'd like to get the caption right). Also, I think I finally understand what he wanted to say with latitude and longitude in earlier versions: Dimo, if you were trying to contrast the depth of Suruga Bay and the height of Mt. Fuji, I think I've managed to work this into the text. I think about the only think missing right now is a map like the one at right and a few underwater pictures with fish or something. Can anyone rework this map to remove the green, identify Omaezaki and Irōzaki Points (and perhaps draw a dotted line between them), Izu Peninsula, Mt. Fuji, and the bay proper? Please remove any editing artifacts if you notice them—I'm not very good at spotting them in my own work unless I sleep on it for a day or two. Best regards, Jim_Lockhart 08:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The green is the city of Omaezaki and it includes the tip of the peninsula. Irozaki is the southern tip of the Izu Peninsula. The Japanese Wikipedia articles on the municipalities have the maps that show this. See ja:御前崎市 and ja:南伊豆町. This can help in drawing the map as Jim Lockhart requested. Fg2 08:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Apology: humans at Wiki pics
Frankly, I dislike the last pic I posted (I recovered it from the trash), because there is nobody there. As soon as you find a better photo, use it instead.

In any pic, the indication of scale is required. If we show rocks (in support of the declaration, that the beach is rocky), we need to have anything or anybody to show the size: pen, bottle, typemeter, car, human. However, we could put a wide ruler at the rock to show its size, but whis makes an illusion, that the bay is a place with the big wide riller. Human is best because it supports also the statement about swimming. As for the cloth... if it is not required by the temperature or a law, then it is adverticement of companies which produce and cell it.