Talk:Susan Sto Helit

Age of Susan
I'm not sure what there is to discuss about susan sto helit, but i would like to ask where it says how old she is? In Soul Music it sounds by the way she is described and how she acts in general that she is younger than 16, more like 11 or 12, at the beginning anyway. As i said before I'm not sure what we are meant to discuss but if you have the answer to my question then that would be very helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.191.22 (talk • contribs) 12:39, June 3, 2004


 * Certainly:
 * "How old are you?"
 * "Sixteen."
 * "Oh my." Albert rolled his eyes. "How long have you been sixteen for?"
 * "Since I was fifteen, of course. Are you stupid?"
 * Soul Music, p 83 of the Corgi paperback. Hope that helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.191.62.136 (talk • contribs) 16:14, August 10, 2004
 * "Oh my." Albert rolled his eyes. "How long have you been sixteen for?"
 * "Since I was fifteen, of course. Are you stupid?"
 * Soul Music, p 83 of the Corgi paperback. Hope that helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.191.62.136 (talk • contribs) 16:14, August 10, 2004
 * Soul Music, p 83 of the Corgi paperback. Hope that helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.191.62.136 (talk • contribs) 16:14, August 10, 2004
 * Soul Music, p 83 of the Corgi paperback. Hope that helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.191.62.136 (talk • contribs) 16:14, August 10, 2004


 * Of course, that was in Soul Music. since then, she's gotten a job as a Governess and a Teacher. presumably she's now in her mid twenties, although with the current (?) state of the Discworld timeline, thats not certain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs) 16:32, December 19, 2004


 * The article mentions that she is at school and 16 and her parents died recently. I have just read Soul Music and if I remember correctly it states that her parents died when she was 7 years old. If anyone can confirm this the entry needs updated.  Scottanon 02:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The book has a brief flashback of Susan being informed that her parents are dead, which implicitly happens a long time before the main plot of the book.--70.132.14.164 06:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Susan's nature
It was hinted in Thief of Time that Susan is in fact the antropomorphic personification of helpfulness - partially, at least - but I don't have the book around to check. Anyone else? Baughnie 19:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Similarities with Dr. Who?
Has anyone noticed parallels with Susan from the first Dr. Who series ? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Foreman) - she refers to The Doctor as "Grandfather" and The Doctor (it could be argued) lives outside of time and space? There are also similarities between the TARDIS and Death's Domain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death%27s_Domain)? Perhaps? --(?)


 * I've always assumed that Susan's name was a reference to Susan Foreman, for what it's worth. Ahkond 17:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Seems mostly coincidential. I wouldn't say the Doctor lives outside of time and space, as much as he can move through them freely. (At least, with the TARDIS.)--Agent Aquamarine 22:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Pratchett himself agrees with you. See The Annotated Pratchett File for Soul Music, where he says (among other things),
 * "'As far as I'm aware, the Death/Dr Who 'coincidences' are in the mind of the beholders :-)'"
 * --NapoliRoma (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Requested move Susan Sto Helit (Discworld) -> Susan Sto Helit
From proposal on WP:RM: There is no other use of this name so it should be moved as per other Discworld-exclusive names which do not require "(Discworld)" after them, for example the precedent set by articles such as Angua, Carrot Ironfoundersson, Gaspode, Greebo and so on (even more see Template:Discworld) - I doubt anyone will have any objection to this, however the move cannot be made because there already is an article called Susan Sto Helit (a redirect page)


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 * Support. Agree that there's no need for this disambiguation. --Tony Sidaway Talk  19:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Support Name Change. I would argue that this should change to Susan (Dicworld), but lacking that, then yes no discworld conningcris 05:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Conningcris (talk • contribs)

Discussion

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"Susan Death"?
Can anyone point to where she is referred to as "Susan Death"?--NapoliRoma (talk) 19:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nobby calls her that once in Soul Music. He tells Fred Colon: "That was her, Susan Death!" Doczilla (talk) 22:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Infobox image
The image needs a caption to identify the actress and the production. 23skidoo (talk) 18:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The Personification of Helpfulness?
Wen refers to her as "helpfulness personified" and being descended from DEATH, there being more than one kind of genetics... Being a personification may be part of her inheritance.

Inherited abilities
Why does the article assume Susan inherited her special abilities from her adopted grandfather, rather than her biological father, who was, at one point "death"? 84.92.54.229 (talk) 16:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Pratchett generally gives that impression. He speaks of the effects of "a Death in the family" and refers to her grandfather rather than father as the significant otherworldly bit. Mort's stint at the job doesn't seem to come into it. --Kiz o r  18:01, 8 September 2009 (UTC)