Talk:Suze Orman/Archive 2

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 * In May 2009 Orman was presented with an honorary degree Doctor of Humane Letters from the University of Illinois. In 2009 & 2008, she was selected by Time magazine as one of the TIME 100, The World's Most Influential People. In 2009 she was honored by Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) with the Vito Russo Media Award. In April 2008 Orman was presented with the Amelia Earhart Award for her message of financial empowerment for women and Saturday Night Live spoofed Suze three times during 2008. Orman delivered the Commencement address and received an honorary degree at Bentley University on May 15, 2010. In 2010 Forbes Magazine named her as one of the 100 most powerful women in the world today.-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 14:43, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

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"In May 2009 Orman was presented with an honorary degree Doctor of Humane Letters from the University of Illinois. In 2009 & 2008, she was selected by Time magazine as one of the TIME 100, The World's Most Influential People. In 2009 she was honored by Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) with the Vito Russo Media Award. In April 2008 Orman was presented with the Amelia Earhart Award for her message of financial empowerment for women and Saturday Night Live spoofed Suze three times during 2008. Orman delivered the Commencement address and received an honorary degree at Bentley University on May 15, 2010. In 2010 Forbes Magazine named her as one of the 100 most powerful women in the world today."-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 17:18, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Parking unreliable sources

 * ref name="finance.yahoo.com">"Suze Orman - Money Matters", yahoo! finance. Archived on October 13, 2007
 * This source is a dead link and a yahoo bio is not a reliable source for claims such as: Her program The Suze Orman Show has aired for eleven years and is one of the highest rated shows on CNBC. She has written nine consecutive New York Times Best Sellers and has written, co-produced and hosted seven PBS specials based on her books. She has received two Emmy awards for her PBS shows.
 * ref name="wholelife.com"> Archived from the original on December 11, 2008. Wholelife
 * This appears to be a brief (possibly self reported) bio from a non notable web site and is not a reliable source for claims like: Her program The Suze Orman Show has aired for eleven years and is one of the highest rated shows on CNBC. She has written nine consecutive New York Times Best Sellers and has written, co-produced and hosted seven PBS specials based on her books. She has received two Emmy awards for her PBS shows.
 * -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 17:09, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Citation for O column
Do we really need a third-party source for this? One can readily see that this is true by checking out O; if it were not so it would be easily falsifiable. This is not particularly an assertion of a special qualification or achievement needing third-party verification for credibility. 75.216.126.16 (talk) 14:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, why not? and to that end I've added one. -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 18:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 18:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Is she credible?
What are her financial certifications? End of story! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:E:CD80:91F:D40F:69FF:67DC:66E0 (talk) 19:20, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

"Early life and education" – Problems with citations
The first set of citations in this section (after the 2nd sentence, describing Orman's mother's & father's respective jobs) contains five citations, currently numbered [5][6][7][7][8], having the following problems:


 * 1) The first, currently numbered [5], indicates not that Orman's father "worked in a chicken factory" [sic] (←What, the factory manufactured chickens...?), but rather that he "ran a take-out chicken stand".


 * 1) The second is a dead link.


 * 1) The 3rd & 4th are just two instances of the same citation (currently "[7][7]").


 * 1) The 3rd & 4th (identical even in citation number, as noted...) and the 5th are all the same article (though the 5th is reprinted in a different periodical).


 * 1) The 5th is cited with a title ("News - Suze Orman") which does not appear in the source.


 * 1) These final three cites say that the father "was a feather plucker of nonkosher chickens", from which one might infer that he worked in a chicken processing plant, though there are other settings in which one might be such a feather plucker. Nevertheless, it is the only citation which even comes close to the claim it is cited to support (though as noted, not all the way). -- The others do nothing at all to support it, the first one even contradicting it.

This is just a Heads Up for someone with more of a direct interest in the article, rather than merely the very general interest that I have here, in seeing Wiki articles adhere to basic quality standards, even when I am not interested in the article enough to fix it myself (e.g., chase down some replacement for the dead link, if one exists). Someone out there, e.g. possibly the person(s) who created these links, surely cares about this article enough to do that additional work. Fyi...--IfYouDoIfYouDon&#39;t (talk) 00:09, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Suze Orman Show
If it is already mentioned in the article, a general outline what it is/was about would be great. As is, it is only mentioned as having aired. --Ulkomaalainen (talk) 20:21, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

"The" vice president of investments at Pru-Bache
I am changing it from "the" vice president to "a" vice president. The truth is, she was simply a retail broker. An entry level broke is an "account executive" and "vice president" is simply one step above that (you get that title by having a certain level of accounts - its not too hard - there are thousands and thousands of "Vice Presidents" at stockbrokers across the country - perhaps several tens of thousands. It was misleading to say that she was "the vice president of investments".  Truth be told, it should simply say, "she was a retail stockbroker".Betathetapi545 (talk) 09:58, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Grammar issue, opening paragraph.
Since someone deleted info regarding her honorary degree, that's left a sentence fragment in her intro bio that needs repair. FYI: "Susan Lynn "Suze" Orman is an American author, financial advisor, motivational speaker, and television host. then worked as a financial advisor for Merrill Lynch." Keithh (talk) 22:51, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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New York Times article cited saying card is 'customer friendly' not well researched
Should it be noted that the same New York Times story that says the card is 'customer friendly' also unquestioningly quoted "an industry consultant and former chief executive of the firm that issued Russell Simmons’s prepaid card RushCard" as saying “You’re dealing with a lot of customers who have a lot of things go wrong, and they need their money to put milk and bread on the table...Three dollars is a really tough baseline from which to serve customers who are going to be calling a lot."

This is proven to be a false premise with the easily discoverable fact that it costs "$2 per call to talk to a live customer service agent (after one free call per month.)"

This article should not be used, despite the prestige of the NYT, due to its clear lack of basic research into this product. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbsyl (talk • contribs) 09:08, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The NYT which quotes someone else as saying $3 per call is from June 2014, while the ones which say $2 are from January 2012. Either the amount changed in that time, or this was a minor mistake. Either way, this is a trivial discrepancy which doesn't, by itself, undermine the reliability of these sources. Grayfell (talk) 22:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View
This article starts with a glowing list of questionable accreditations and, with the exception of a brief Controversies section, displays a notable lack of neutrality in its point of view (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view).

Watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZJh25-sO98 presents a very contrasting view of Orman, and I recommend it to WP editors. Clearly, much time needs to pass before a media figure can receive complete and objective treatment. David Spector (talk) 16:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Completely agree. Non-positive input seems to have been stamped out. Andreldritch (talk) 19:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Also much agreed! This article is a "Puff Piece" and not valid unbiased information. I watched the video by an Ormon associate that shows Ormon's debit card scheme was a basic scam since TransUnion never gave FICO scores for her users as promised. But the bulk of this article covers Ormon's media presence which was huge but less important than the harm she did.Boatsy2 (talk) 14:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's important to take the video with a grain of salt, but this article still reads like it was written by a brand management professional. martin sandsmark (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Name
Suze Ormanurl is her real name. 12.33.29.132 (talk) 19:14, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Size Ormanurl
Why change given name? 12.33.29.132 (talk) 19:19, 6 January 2023 (UTC)