Talk:Swabia

This talk page used to redirect to Talk:Swabia (administrative region), but Swabia should have its own talk page. --Angr/undefined 08:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Swabia or Suebia The Tribe called "Sueben" and so it´s "Suebian" translated into english.Swabia isn´t right and it´s time to change this in all dictionaries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.158.32.36 (talk) 17:50, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Charlemagne?
Wasn't Charlemagne's family from Austrasia? i.e. the area of Metz, Cologne, Herstal, Cambrai, and Tournai? I thought that was pretty clear. Am I missing something?24.5.248.233 (talk) 22:28, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Famous people
Rather scarce, I guess, compared to the German version of it. Also, is there any order to the famous people listing? The two last entries suggest a somewhat chronological order... Ub 16:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Joschka Fischer said tonight on ARD that he comes from "Schwabenland." Actually, his interview is still on TV as we speak. Either way, I thought I should post this as he doesn't appear on the list of famous people from Schwaben (Swiss German term I've learned) / Swabia. The German version of Wikipedia supports me -- http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwaben#Politiker --80.219.74.231 21:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Baden-Württemberg is NOT Swabia
It is very important to notice that "Swabia" (Schwaben) is just a part of Baden-Württemberg. The culture of Baden and Schwaben are different(The Swabians are none to be very keen, to clean the street every Sunday, etc.). And some people in Baden don't like to be called "Schwaben".

Louis from Freiburg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.176.215.36 (talk) 15:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Some Swabians are into the "Celtic revival" movement, due to the increasing notion the Celtic peoples' homeland might be in Southern Germany (Swabia is located there). The Swabii are considered a "Germanic" people, but some scholars contend that some Celto-Roman elements from the 5th century AD to as late as 12th century AD were preserved in the valleys and alpine regions of Bavaria and Alemannic (German-speaking) Switzerland, including Swabia which borders the two areas. The Swabians are without doubt a "High German" culture, but you have a small vocal minority who insisted their uniqueness may be a Celtic trait that hasn't disappeared as their Celtic roots was merged with the neighboring High German tribes. + 71.102.53.48 (talk) 11:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think no Swabian would describe himself as a Celtic. That's totally ridiculous. Mangercratie (talk) 18:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC) from Ulm.

It is very important to note that dispite people from Baden liking to distinguish themselves from Swabians, they are Swabian (see the German version of this page). Bader are not Württemburger and vice-versa, but both are Swabian. It is true that is BaWü is not Swabia, rather only has a large intersection with it, but Baden is not outside of Swabia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.158.76.63 (talk) 12:00, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Consequently the mention of Ländle for Swabia should be removed. It's a synonym for the federal Land Baden-Württemberg, not Swabia. I was born and bred there and in 50 years I've never heard Ländle in that sense. Bavarian Swabians would certainly reject the notion that they live in the Ländle. --88.78.22.38 (talk) 19:20, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Slang usage
The article on the migration of German populations from Eastern Europe refers to such people as being referred to as "Schwaben"…is this accurate? Historian932 (talk) 14:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In some cases yes, see Donauschwaben who travelled down the Danube. On the other hand, see also Szwab, which is a derogatory term used in Polish for Germans. So, when encountering the term in articles like
 * * Territorial changes of Germany
 * * History of German settlement in Eastern Europe
 * * German exodus from Eastern Europe
 * * Ethnic Germans
 * it might be interesting to find out who had added it. -- Matthead Discuß   00:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Which cities
Which cities in Baden-Wurttemberg belong to Swabia??

I know about :
 * Stuttgart
 * Ulm
 * Rottweil
 * Pfullendorf

Which else?? Kennechten (talk) 09:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Stuttgart and Ulm are in "Swabia" Pfullendorf was part of "Großherzogtum Baden" = like Baden 0 jot swabia - Rottweil was (and is) a "border"-city but historical it belongs to Kingdom_of_Württemberg = "Swabia" - sorry for my bad english --PogoEngel (talk) 21:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Swabia ist not Baden-Württemberg
Sorry but i think there are mistakes in the lemma: the country of baden-würrtemberg consists of three old counties. 1. kingdom swabia (Königreich Schwaben) 2. Baden (Großherzogtum Baden) and 3. Hohenzollern Province (Hohenzollernsche Lande -> Preußen. --PogoEngel (talk) 23:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

There has never been a "kingdom" of Swabia! Swabia has always been a duchy or tribal duchy till it disintegrated into numerous smaller states in the 13th century. --92.223.57.22 (talk) 15:58, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Kingdom of Württemberg, and while most of Württemberg is Swabian, not all of Württemberg is Swabian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.42.252.102 (talk) 13:06, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Map of Swabia
The map is not accurate. It places the swabian border along the modern counties and not the traditional counties before the reform. The eastern part of the Bodenseekreis (FN) is also part of Swabia, but not shown on the map.

more on expulsions
Not to turn this article into a rant or "expose" on expulsions, but there is far too little on the expulsions/ethnic cleansings (according to Norman Naimark of Stanford) of the Swabians who settled eastward. They did not "settle in Kazakhstan" until they were all expelled there. Further, most who ended up in Kazakhstan were not Danube Swabian, but a separate community in Russia, particularly the Volga Germans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.212.117 (talk) 07:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Only 0.8 million Swabian speakers? Never.
I don't know how this "Ethnologue" institution gets its numbers, but only 800,000 Swabian speakers is way too few. I especially wonder how they define Swabian with its seemingly endless variations.

The pejorative
This section appeared. It is pejorative, indeed, and completely lacking in citation. If anyone does have proper citation, then feel free to cut and paste it back with proofs befitting a scholarly work. LTC (Ret.) David J. Cormier (talk) 12:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Pejorative usage of "Swabian"

In Switzerland, Schwab is a generic term for Germans. It may be turned into a derogative by prefixing Sau- "pig", as in Sauschwabe. The division of Alemannic Swiss from the Swabians can be traced to the Swabian War of 1499. In Macedonian, Polish, and Bulgarian, "Shvab" or "Szwab" may be a pejorative term for any German, not just one from Swabia. In parts of the former Yugoslavia (i.e., Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina), the more neutral term Švabo is somewhat applied to all German peoples who lived in those regions until shortly after World War II (called Danube Swabians though most of them came from neighboring Lorraine and the Palatinate), and to their descendants; it is even occasionally used as a slang or derogatory term to refer to all German speakers including Austrians and Swiss Germans.

--109.42.3.156 (talk) 11:36, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Schwabenland or Ländle
I don't think that "colloquially Schwabenland or Ländle" is relevant to the English Wikipedia. If you agree, please remove this from the introduction. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 19:01, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Suebi and Allemanni in introduction
Differentiating ancient "germanic" groups is really hard. Before my change the introduction said "Suebi" and "Allemanni" are two names for the same group, which is clearly false, but how I formulated it, is also not completely true and reading it may result in a wrong imagination.

It would be nice, if either the Introduction gets reformulated to bypass the problem, or we find someone with true expertise in the field and the language skill to compress the suebian allemannic connection into one subclause. Naivling (talk) 18:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I believe the new formulation "the tribe alliances named allemanni and suebi is open enough to include all theories about the relation of allemanni and suebi at any point in time and more precise information should be left to be explained in the corresponding linked articles. Naivling (talk) 14:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)