Talk:Synagogue architecture

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parts ofthis have obviously been copied from a book and not edited well, and the list of cities with synagouges is so small it implies there are very few synagouges in the united states and around the worlds

Synagogues around the world
This is a horrible section. You have cities listed and, well that's just useless. There is a synagogue in Newark, Delaware but it's incredibly non-notable... and there is also Arkansas listed. That's a whole state. That section (esecially) and this article (generally) need a lot of work... which is something I'm not really qualified to do... it would be great, however, to find good images for each of the notable sites. gren 20:43, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, it was terrible - taken from the Jewish Encylcopedia, where it was actually a listing of related articles with no other relevance. I have tried to rewrite.

Notable synagogues missing
The quotation of the influence of Moorish architecture was not exact. I have changed it. Other question: an article about synagogue architecture that doesn`t quotate Frank Lloyd Wright´s synagogue at Elkins Park, or the baroque interventions of Baldasare Longhena at the synagogues of Venice has much to work to be done. Cheer up! --Garcilaso 20:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Basic Design?
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Proposed structure
This is undoubtedly an important topic, and the article as it is contains a lot of interesting information; but it also reflects the editorial outlook of the Encyclopedia Judaica article. For example, an organ loft is not as universal as one might believe, nor that classrooms are on the first floor, etc. I would propose that we organize the article into the following sections: --Leifern 23:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Functional requirements that would serve to explain design - without making the contrast explicit, this should serve to explain why synagogues are not equivalent to churches, mosques, etc.
 * 2) History, geographical variations, etc. - probably needs to be subdivided more, but this is where we explain that there isn't a distinct style for synagogues, but that the architecture has been a function of antisemitic restrictions, size of the community, architectural styles in the environment, functional use, etc.
 * 3) Contemporary issues
 * 4) A guide to making sense of the interior of a synagogue - what to look for, what may vary, etc. Should include discussions of a mechitza, bimah, ark, etc.
 * 5) Examples, both contemporary and historic

Requested move 14 August 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:09, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Synagogue architecture → Jewish architecture – Provides a consistent title with other religious architecture articles, and allows for elaboration on overall Jewish architecture as opposed to just Synagogues ChaoticTexan (talk) 09:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink).    Kadzi    (talk) 10:12, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose What "overall Jewish architecture"?? It's dubious there is any consistent tradition of "Jewish architecture" between Israelite architecture (to 300 BCE) and Israeli architecture. The argument that it would give "a consistent title with other religious architecture articles" is just wrong - see Hindu temple architecture, Greek temple, Roman temple and hosts of articles on various Christian types. Christian architecture redirects to Church  architecture, and in a very comparable "minority religion" context Jain architecture redirects to Jain temple.   ChaoticTexan, this proposal was always bound to be controversial, and trying to sneak it through as an uncontested technical speedy does you no credit at all.   User:Dr._Kadzi, thanks for picking it up.  Johnbod (talk) 13:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I was trying to search for Jewish architecture, which seems to be non-existent for a wikipedia article (title). I was unaware in which category to put it in, since I assumed it would not be a big deal to rename something within the Jewish religion as Jewish architecture. There is no need to exaggerate as you can obviously see the relation. You can see that I clearly mention it would allow for an expansion on information not solely related to synagogues. This would include tabernacles, tombs, the temple mount, etc. Although I did fail to differentiate main religious architecture articles from subcategories underneath said religions (such as Christian architecture and church architecture). Unless I was not looking properly, is there any wiki article relating specifically to Jewish architecture as an umbrella term to include different aspects of said thing?


 * and trying to sneak it through as an uncontested technical speedy does you no credit at all I was not trying to sneak anything, you seem to imply I had malintentions when the relation is clear. Again, the main purpose of the request was to expand on Jewish architecture, I appreciate who ever redirected my request alongside the explanation (even if it assumes) although do not insert motives onto me by seemingly assuming I was doing it with malintent. If the move fails, then I'll try to develop in the sandbox- an article focusing on Jewish architecture and submit it for review. ChaoticTexan (talk) 21:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that! No there is no Jewish architecture, because there is really no such thing. It might as well be redirected here. You still don't seem to grasp how inappropriate it was to try & speedy this on bogus "technical" grounds, so I suggest you read the instructions on that page very carefully. Johnbod (talk) 00:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * "No there is no Jewish architecture, because there is really no such thing" that is an opinion/dubious. I was unaware that there is a dispute over Jewish architecture as I just found some articles online disputing it, although there are also articles from both religiously Jewish and non-Jewish sources referencing Jewish architecture, so at best it is disputed by two sides. I'd argue what encompasses Jewish architecture is buildings, sites, etc. that were constructed for religious purposes under Judaism (religion). The arguement seems to stem from there being no uniquely Jewish style, although many religions borrow from various architectural styles. Another point seems to be that Jewish architecture is always derivative of local styles and patterns, and responds to the needs of local minority communities.. So some reference the mesh of styles for synagogues, temples and more as Jewish architecture. Similiar to how some religious styles like Islamic architecture derived influences from Persian, Byzantine, Greco-Roman and other styles to form a unique Islamic style. The main difference being an absense/continuation of a unique Jewish style. Although now that I did some more research it seems like there would be resistance to such an article. Regarding your continuation of seemingly baseless accusations You still don't seem to grasp how inappropriate it was to try & speedy this on bogus "technical" grounds I went back to see how I ended up on the page and realized my mistake. I went from WP:TITLECHANGES to WP:RM > WP:NOTRM and I failed to scroll further down since I was trying to find where to request moves and the section had it linked. That was an error on my part, since rushing made me ignore the rest of the page (which does not show up on mobile screen in full). I suggest you study up on what constitutes an opinion and once again it was done in good faith and thank you for the response!. ChaoticTexan (talk) 01:30, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Oppose. It's specifically about synagogues. No different from Church architecture, so I'm not sure about the accuracy of Provides a consistent title with other religious architecture articles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


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