Talk:TT pistol

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I'm not sure if Tokarev should really redirect to TT-33. I went to the former looking for the SVT38. Boris B 18:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps a disambiguation page is in order? --Commander Zulu 00:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That's sort of what I was thinking, but I don't know how to set one of those up yet. I am going to look around for articles on Tokarev weapons (this may be the only one).  Boris B 02:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've set up a disambiguation page at Tokarev, which has links to [{Fedor Tokarev]], this article, and SVT-40. --Commander Zulu 08:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I added a bit of information concerning the Chinese commercial variant, the Norinco Type 213, for instance: I'm a new user, so criticism is welcome. - TSDreadnought 07:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Features that set it apart from the Russian models
 * Availability in the United States despite trade restrictions
 * Specifications of the Type 213

Article name change
The pistol is actually called the TT, the model 1933 or TT-33 is one of its variants. I think the title should reflect that, because the base pistol is the TT model 1930 or TT-30. Having two separate article would be illogical but I propose we rename the article TT (pistol) since TT is already a vast disambiguation page. Koalorka (talk) 21:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've got to respectfully disagree there; almost no-one has heard of the TT-30 (it was replaced by the TT-33 very quickly). Tokarev TT pistol might be a better compromise, I think- TT (pistol) is lacking something. (and yes, I know TT stands for Tula-Tokarev, but in common use the pistol is still called a Tokarev TT by most people all the same). --Commander Zulu (talk) 08:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Right, but right now we're sacrificing accuracy for the sake of mass public appeal. We're here to provide accurate information, not creating pedestrian slang for firearms. TT pistol is vague, perhaps Tokarev TT? But then again, that's already contained in the name. I still think TT pistol is the optimal choice here. Koalorka (talk) 16:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Design
The design section says that "The Soviet engineers also added several other features..." etc. What does the word "added" exactly mean here? "Added" as compared to what? TT was an original design, not a clone of some other design (as far as original designs go in that area), so the word "added" appears to be out of place here. It sounds like a leftover of some previous version of the article, which would probably incorrectly (but typically) suggest that TT was a clone of some American model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.182.56.5 (talk • contribs)


 * The TT was not an original design any more than the Ballister Molina was an original design. It was an adaptation and simplification of the 1911, nothing more.  There are some novel features that aided the ease of manufacture and simplified the design.  Original? No.  Novel adaptation?  Yep.  It's a solid, reliable, easy to manufacture gun, etc.  Just call it what it is. --Asams10 (talk) 21:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Muzzle velocity and effective range
The stated muzzle velocity and effective range are both wrong. The TT has an average muzzle velocity beyond 500m/s, and that combined with low recoil and high accuracy of its 7,62x25mm round results in effective range of around 100m, not 50, like of most other pistols. In practice, I have fired from TT many times and I managed to hit target at range even beyond 100m without problem, so this info needs change. And generally, I do not understand on which theory here on Wikipedia most pistols have the same effective range (50m), regardless of their caliber? As an example, how can the M1911's 11,43x23mm (.45 ACP) heavy caliber round have exactly the same effective range like FN-57's 5,7x28mm, which has far greater muzzle velocity and accuracy and also far lower recoil? That is pure nonsense, the same stands for TT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.36.234 (talk) 09:58, 27 January 2015 (UTC)