Talk:Tadeusz Kondrusiewicz

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Archbishop Kondrusiewicz was transferred from Moscow to Minsk, Belarus, on September 21, 2007. Is this a "demotion?" Is it because he was born in Belarus? Does the Vatican perceive that he had conflicts with the Russian Orthodox Church in Moscow? Ray Marshall, Minneapolis--206.196.48.99 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.196.48.99 (talk) 22:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Zenit has two articles today. It appears that it is "out of the frying pan, into the fire" for Archbishop Kondrusiewicz as he heads to Belarus.

''Moscow Prelate Named to Minsk Archdiocese

Archbishop Kondrusiewicz Returns to Belarus

MOSCOW, SEPT. 21, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI appointed Archbishop Tadeusz Kondrusiewicz, who has led the Archdiocese of the Mother of God in Moscow for 16 years, as archbishop of Minsk-Mohilev, in Belarus.

"I am going home," the Belarus native told Vatican Radio today after the appointment had been announced.

The Vatican also announced that Father Paolo Pezzi, of the Priestly Fraternity of the Missionaries of St. Charles Borromeo, will succeed Archbishop Kondrusiewicz as the leader of the Archdiocese of the Mother of God.

Archbishop-designate Pezzi, 47, is a native of Russi, Italy. He was ordained a priest in 1990. At the time of his appointment he was the rector of the major s! eminary of Mary Queen of the Apostles in St. Petersburg, Russia.

Archbishop Kondrusiewicz said regarding his new mission: "I am, as always, at the service of the Church, I am like a soldier: When my leader tells me to go to one place or another, I am always ready to go.

"Our strength is obedience: Therefore I go to Minsk with great joy, obedient to the Holy Father and with a spirit of great responsibility. I leave Moscow because it is God's will: The Holy Father's will, for me, is the will of God, and I must work where he tells me to."

When asked about leaving Moscow he said that he leaves "a part of my heart because I began here with nothing."

The archbishop says that he goes to Belarus "with a spirit of hope," and that he hopes to "to continue to develop the Church, establish good relationships with the Orthodox Church, above all, with the society. And to do this I ask for the prayers of everyone.&! quot;''

And then:

''Belarus to Deport Foreign Priests

MINSK, Belarus, SEPT. 21, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Belarusian Deputy Prime Minister Aleksandr Kosinets said that all foreign Catholic priests would be banned from the country over the next few years.

Of the roughly 350 Catholic priests in the country, the majority are foreign and almost all of those are Polish. Belarus has been targeting foreign Catholics since last year, deporting all those without papers, reported the U.S.-based Stratfor intelligence firm.

Now the campaign is extended to all foreign Catholic priests.

Kosinets said Thursday that "foreign priests cannot conduct religious activities in Belarus because they do not understand the mentality and traditions of the Belarusian people."'' …--Ray Marshall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.196.48.99 (talk) 23:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
Tadevush Kandrusievich has never been a bishop in Poland and his Polish ethnicity is strongly disputed. Please stop the nationalistic revert war --Czalex 21:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't matter where he lives, his ethnicity is Polish, it is important! Many Poles in Belarus had never lived in Poland but they still are Polish because of his parents were Polish and lived in Second Polish Republic. Most of Belarusian Cardinals and Bishops are of Polish nationality! Please stop russified their!--marekchelsea (talk) 17:52, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * how many belorussian cardinals do you know? I know only 2 and both were/are Belorussian - Jury Radzivil and Kazimier Sviontak 188.123.237.30 (talk) 18:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The ancestors of about a half of the population of modern Belarus lived in the Second Polish Republic which does not make these people ethnic Poles. Kandrusievich's claimingly Polish ethnicity (which is hard to determine for people in the Belarusian-Lithuanian borderland) does not make the man a "Polish bishop", because he has never lived and served in Poland. It is even more relevant to refer to him as a Russian bishop after his over 10 years of service in Russia. Kandrusievich is not known to be an activist of the Polish community in Belarus --Czalex 13:49, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know any Jury Radzivil, but I think you mean Jerzy Radziwiłł and Karzimierz Świątek. By the way half of my family live in Belarus and they say they are Poles. In XVIII century there are no country such as Belarus. --Rotgild (talk) 11:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Moreover Jerzy Radziwiłł is rather lithuanian than belarussian. Country that we named Belarus was in middle ages part of Grand Duchess of Lithuania. I think more that 80% catholic in Belarus have polish or lithuanian descent. So for me Kondrusiewicz is more lithuanian than belarusian.--Rotgild (talk) 12:23, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

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Name change
Using Tadevuš Kandrusievič for the article title is very strange. He's always been Tadeusz Kondrusiewicz in media, he never objected to that. There are good reasons to think this is how his name is spelt in his Belarusian passport too. I suggest changing the article name.--Nieszczarda2 (talk) 09:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. Reliable sources agree on this. Elizium23 (talk) 09:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 17 July 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:10, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Tadevuš Kandrusievič → Tadeusz Kondrusiewicz – Much more preferred name, 1920 results vs 8 for the current name Marcelus (talk) 21:39, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * NB that "Tadevush Kandrusevich" also gets seven hits. —  AjaxSmack  02:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. This article was created in March 2005 as "Tadeusz Kondrusiewicz" and unilaterally moved to Tadevush Kandrusievich" in September 2007. Since then, it has been unilaterally moved, among three name forms, back and forth a number of times. The neighboring areas containing Poland and Belarus have shared populations for centuries and, in this case, the prelate's family ethnic identity is indisputably Polish, he self-identifies as ethnically Polish by using the Polish form of his name and is referenced via his Polish name by the Catholic News Agency and by the Vatican which uses the Polish form of his name in its English-language bulletins, such as this one or this one. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)