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homosexuality issue
User:HistoryofIran, From source - ''Esmāʿil Mirzā arrived in Herat on 23 Jomādā I 963/14 April 1556 (Ḥosayni-Qomi, p. 384; Jonābadi, pp. 543-44). During the year intervening between his departure from Qazvin and arrival in Herat, he toured various cities of Khorasan, including Sabzavār, Toršiz, Zāvah, Maḥvalāt, Ḵˇāf, Bāḵarz, and Ḡuriān, deliberately avoiding a visit to the holy shrine of imam ʿAli b. Musā al-Reżā in Mashhad, the city that had recently been assigned to his paternal cousin, Ebrāhim Mirzā b. Bahrām Mirzā (Ḥosayni-Qomi, p. 385). It is reported that during Esmāʿil Mirzā’s short tenure as governor of Herat, many Sunni learned and landed notables, who had fled Khorasan early in the reign of Shah Ṭahmāsp, were allowed resettlement in the city. The Safavid prince’s pro-Sunni policies in Herat were soon to be exploited by his enemies in Qazvin who used the occasion to persuade Shah Ṭahmāsp to recall him from Khorasan (Kāmi-Qazvini, fol. 144r). According to Šaraf Khan Bedlisi (II, p. 208), it was the outbreak of a bitter feud between Moḥammad Khan Tekelu and his elder son, Zayn-al-Din ʿAli Sultan, a close friend and maternal cousin of Prince Esmāʿil Mirzā, that prompted Ṭahmāsp I to recall his son from Khorasan in less than two years. During Esmāʿil Mirzā’s stay in Khorasan, Zayn al-Din ʿAli Sultan Tekelu was arrested and tortured to death in Qazvin on account of complicity in the Safavid prince’s disgraceful flings with consenting boys (Ḥosayni-Qomi, p. 386; Qawāmi-Širāzi, p. 110; Hinz, p. 35)'' (link:https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/esmail-02). There is nothing here about Ismail II's imprisonment for homosexuality. --Qızılbaş (talk) 20:27, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Version 1 by Kāmi-Qazvini (which isn't mentioned in the article); "It is reported that during Esmāʿil Mirzā’s short tenure as governor of Herat, many Sunni learned and landed notables, who had fled Khorasan early in the reign of Shah Ṭahmāsp, were allowed resettlement in the city. The Safavid prince’s pro-Sunni policies in Herat were soon to be exploited by his enemies in Qazvin who used the occasion to persuade Shah Ṭahmāsp to recall him from Khorasan (Kāmi-Qazvini, fol. 144r)."


 * Version 2 by Šaraf Khan Bedlisi ;


 * "According to Šaraf Khan Bedlisi (II, p. 208), it was the outbreak of a bitter feud between Moḥammad Khan Tekelu and his elder son, Zayn-al-Din ʿAli Sultan, a close friend and maternal cousin of Prince Esmāʿil Mirzā, that prompted Ṭahmāsp I to recall his son from Khorasan in less than two years. During Esmāʿil Mirzā’s stay in Khorasan, Zayn al-Din ʿAli Sultan Tekelu was arrested and tortured to death in Qazvin on account of complicity in the Safavid prince’s disgraceful flings with consenting boys (Ḥosayni-Qomi, p. 386; Qawāmi-Širāzi, p. 110; Hinz, p. 35). On 27 Jomādā I 964/7 April 1557, Esmāʿil Mirzā was escorted by the qurči-bāši or commander-in-chief of cavalry, Sevendik Beg Afšār, from Herat to Qazvin via Ṭabas, Yazd, and Kashan. Before his arrival in Sāva, a town some hundred miles southeast of Qazvin, a number of his allies and backers at court, including one Bayāt and two Ẕu’l-Qadr emirs, were nabbed and put to death in Qazvin. Ṭahmāsp I did not allow Esmāʿil Mirzā entry to Qazvin, charging Sevendik Beg with the task of detaining him in Sāva." --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


 * So ? but in this article only is mentioned homosexsuality claim which is not written refenrenced source (link:https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/esmail-02). Which source said that Ismael II was imprisoned for his homosexsuality ?User:HistoryofIran. --Qızılbaş (talk) 20:44, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It mentions his "disgraceful flings with consenting boys", so yeah, that could perhaps be better worded in the article. Though I also agree that it is somewhat vaguely explained in the source. What do others think? --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:47, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * There are several assumption on why Tahmasp imprisoned Ismail, which I wrongly (and to shorten the article) only mentioned his homosexuality. According to the Cambridge history of Iran, by H. R. Roemer: one may adduce the fame that Isma'Il had won through his victories over the Turks and which had never entirely faded, that very esteem combined with the common touch and a certain arrogance which may have induced Shah Tahmasp to imprison Isma'Il after all his unpleasant experiences with his brothers Sam Mlrza and Alqas Mlrza.
 * Moreover, Iran under the Safavids by Savory also remarks that: Isma'il seems to have forfeited the Shah's favour by certain actions at Harat which made the Shah suspect that Isma'il was plotting to overthrow him. These suspicions were played on by Ma'sum Beg SafavT, a powerful official descended from a side branch of the Safavid family, who had been appointed head of the bureaucracy in 1559 or perhaps earlier, and who was also the lala (guardian) of Tahmasp's third son, Haydar, whose mother was a Georgian slave. Ma'sum Beg would naturally have aspirations for his own protege to succeed Tahmasp, and would therefore seize any opportunity to spoil Isma'il's chances. Amir Ghandi (talk) 20:59, 6 August 2022 (UTC)


 * There are some claims. 1. Colin Mitchell says that shah influenced by his grand vizier, Ma'sum Beg Safavi. 2. Ghereghlou says that he was imprisoned for coup suspicions. H. R. Roemer, Savory, Šaraf Khan Bedlisi, Kāmi-Qazvini's claims already were written. Are there homosexsuality claims ? I think that the claims made in these sources should be written.--Qızılbaş (talk) 21:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I concur. Amir Ghandi (talk) 21:12, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Removal of sourced information
This is a GA article (and hopefully soon to be FA article). Please take your concerns here before you remove sourced information - you have been reverted thrice now. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC)


 * , The source does not contain the term "Armenian Karabakh". Please, check this (pp. 243–244): https://books.google.com.tr/books?redir_esc=y&id=I2pO-mttL50C&q=Armenian#v=snippet&q=Armenian&f=false.


 * What does this mean:
 * "In Jumada II 961/May 1554 he left his winter camp in Aleppo for Amid and advanced as far as the Armenian territory of Qarabagh in the southern bend of the Araxes."
 * This looks like disruptive editing to me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:31, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Qızılbaş Huh? Sorry, but have you even directly looked at page? Page 243 that is. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)