Talk:Tang of Shang

Source
The infobox and the before/after box are almost 100 years off with regards to the years of Tang's reign. Anybody know of any sources for the two? --Turbothy 23:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The source prior to about 900BCE is hard to define, most scientist believe that the War between Zhou and Shang happened in 1046 BC. While others believe this year was 1027BC, to 1152BC. The funny thing is, the Shang dates are more messed even than Xia, because Xia mainly focused on 471 years or 431 years.Dongwenliang 02:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Please translate
殷商成汤 名履. 汤有七名而九征. （《御览》八十三引《纪年》）放桀于南巢而还，诸侯八译而朝者千八百国，奇肱氏以车至，乃同尊天乙履为天子，三让，遂即天子之位. 初，高辛氏之世妃曰简狄，以春分玄鸟至之日，从帝祀郊禖，与其妹浴于玄丘之水. 有玄鸟衔卵而坠之，五色甚好，二人竞取，覆以玉筐. 简狄先得而吞之，遂孕. 胸剖而生契. 长为尧司徒，成功于民，受封于商. 后十三世，生主癸. 主癸之妃曰扶都，见白气贯月，意感，以乙日生汤，号天乙. 丰下锐上，皙而有髯，句身而扬声，长九尺，臂有四肘，是为成汤. 汤在亳，能修其德. 伊挚将应汤命，梦乘船过日月之傍，汤乃东至于洛，观帝尧之坛，沈璧退立，黄鱼双踊，黑鸟随之止于坛，化为黑玉. 又有黑龟，并赤文成字，言夏桀无道，成汤遂当代之. 梼杌之神，见于邳山. 有神牵白狼衔钩而入商朝. 金德将盛，银自山溢. 汤将奉天命放桀，梦及天而□之，遂有天下. 商人后改天下之号曰殷. （出《宋书．符瑞志》. ）

十八年癸亥，王即位，居亳. （《唐书．历志》：“张说《五星议》：成汤伐桀，岁在壬戌，其明年，汤始建国为元祀. ”）

始屋夏社. （《尚书序》：“汤既胜夏，欲迁其社，不可，作《夏社》. ”《郊特牲》：“ 是故丧国之社屋之. ”）

十九年，大旱.

氐、羌来宾. （《诗．商颂》：“昔有成汤，自彼氐、羌，莫敢不来享，莫敢不来王. ”）

二十年，大旱.

夏桀卒于亭山. （《荀子．解蔽篇》：“桀死于亭山. ”）

禁弦歌舞. （《书钞》九、《类聚》八十二、《初学记》九、《御览》三十五等引《尸子》：“汤之救旱也，弦歌鼓舞者禁之. ”）

二十一年，大旱.

铸金币. （《管子．轻重八》：“汤以庄山之金铸币，而赎民之无○卖子者. ”）

二十二年，大旱.

二十三年，大旱.

二十四年，大旱.

王祷于桑林，雨. （《吕氏春秋．顺民篇》：“汤克夏而正天下，天大旱，五年不收，汤乃以身祷于桑林，雨乃大至. ”云云，上五年连书大旱，亦本此. ）

二十五年，作《大濩乐》. （《吕氏春秋．古乐篇》：“汤乃命伊尹，作为《大濩》. ”）

初巡狩，定献令. （《逸周书．王会解》：“汤问伊尹曰：其为四方献令. ”）

二十七年，迁九鼎于商邑. （《左．宣三年传》：“桀有昏德，鼎迁于商. ”）

二十九年，陟. （《御览》八十三引《韩诗内传》：“汤为天子十三年，百岁而崩. ”《汉书．律历志》：“成汤方即世崩没之时，为天子用事十三年矣. 商十二月乙丑朔冬至，故《书序》曰：‘成汤既没，太甲元年，使伊尹作《伊训》. ’《伊训》曰： ‘惟太甲元年十有二月乙丑朔. ’”据此，则自汤元年至太甲元年为十三年，汤在天子位凡十二年. ）

Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:04, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I did it. But anyone with better English, please help to improve...Dongwenliang 02:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Name
His name is stated as Shang Tang in the page's title and at the very beginning, but as Shang Tong everywhere else. I would change it, for the sake of consistency, but it also has his name as Shang Tong in the image box. Can someone look into this? Elium2 (talk) 12:53, 6 February 2010 (UTC) The Shang Cheng Tang name shoe. Soup levy seven and nine. (Yu Lan eighty-three cited "Annals") put Jie in South nests and also, princes eight Translated by Pilgrims thousand eight hundred countries, odd the brachial's car to, is the same statue Tianyi Lu emperor 3. , moved for the emperor of the place. The beginning of digoxin's the World Princess said Jane Di, the day to the vernal equinox Xuanniao to from the emperor worship suburban Mei, their sister the bath in mysterious mound of water. Xuanniao title eggs fall of colored very good, two competing, covered with jade baskets. Jane Di-come and swallow, then pregnant. Chest sectional and deed. The long for Yao Stuart, success in China, a glimpse at the supplier. After XIII, students master Kuei. Main capric the Princess said Rotary are, to see a white gas penetration month, Italy flu, to B day students the soup, number Tianyi. Abundance under sharp Xi and beard, the sentence itself and speaker, long Jiuchi, arm and four cubits, as Cheng Tang. Tang Bo, can repair his virtue. Iraq Zhi Ying Tang life dream boat across the sun and moon Pong Tangnai Dong Luo concept of the Emperor in the altar, Shen the the bi retreat Li, croaker double 踊 Blackbird the attendant beyond the altar into a black jade. Turtles there are black, and red text into words, words Xia Jie Tao, Cheng Tang then contemporary of. Tao Wu god, found in PI mountain. God led the White Wolf title hook into the room Shang Dynasty. Jinde Sheng, silver Profit from the mountain. Soup will Fengtian life put Jie, dreams and days and □, he had the world. Businessman after changed the world of Xiao Yue Yin. (The "Song Book. The symbol Ruizhi".) Eighteen years Guihai, king ascended the throne, Settle in Bo. ("Tang Li Zhi": "Zhang said" Five Star Yee: cutting Jie Cheng Tang, years in Saigon, next year, the soup was founded country yuan worship. ") Start house henson1. The ("chancery sequence:" soup, both wins summer and want to move their community, not for "henson1" "rural special offerings:" Therefore in the club house of mourning nation. ") Nineteen years, a severe drought. Di, Qiang guests. (Poetry. Supplier Chung: "Xi Cheng Tang, since He Di, Qiang, Mogan not to enjoy, Mogan not to the king.") Two decades, a severe drought. Xia Jie died Pavilion Hill. ("The Xunzi. Demasking articles:" Jie died in Tingshan. ") Dance ban chord. ("The book notes," Nine, "clustering" Eighty, "Beginners mind" Nine, "Yu Lan thirty-five cited" the dead child: "soup of rescue drought also, is music encouraged by Ban's.") 25 a year, a severe drought. The cast gold coin. ("Tube. Severity of eight": "Soup to the mountain village of gold coinage, ransomed None ○ sell sub-persons.") Twenty-two years, a severe drought. Twenty-three years, a severe drought. Twenty-four years, a severe drought. Wang Prayer in Samrin, rain. ("Spring and Autumn Annals. Obedient Chapter": "Soup Waukesha while being the world days of severe drought, received five years soup are based on the body prayer in Samrin is big to rain." And so on, on five book severe drought also present.) Twenty-five years, for big Hu Yue. ("Lu ancient music papers": "Soup Naiming Yiyin, as Hu.") The early Xunshou, will be offered to make ("Yizhoushu. Interpretation": "Soup Yiyin said: Quartet offered order.") Twenty-seven years, moved to Jiuding in supplier eup. ("Left. Declared three pass": "Jie faint Germany, Ding moved in providers.") Twenty-nine years, Zhi. (The Yu Lan eighty-three cited "Korean poetry within Biography": "Soup emperor thirteen years, the centenarians and collapse." Han. Law Almanac Records ":" Cheng Tang Fang world collapse when for thirteen years emperor Allusion men. supplier December 乙丑 Schomburg winter solstice, so the "Preface", saying: 'Cheng Tang neither Taijia the first year, Yi Yin as "Iraqi training.'" Iraqi training, "said : 'provided that the first year Shiyou Er Yi Chou Shuo Taijia.' "Accordingly, since soup first year to Taijia, the first year for thirteen years, Tang emperor bit where twelve years.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.244.73.4 (talk) 10:37, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Dates?
When did he live / reign? 109.149.219.203 (talk) 15:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * c. 1600s BCE, like the infobox says. We don't have firm dates for any of the pre-Yinxu Shang monarchs, because we don't have any other archaeological sites firmly identified with Shang culture. There have been attempts to backtrace the regnal dates of the Shang monarchs using the Bamboo Annals ever since their discovery, but this method is not considered reliable. Academic consensus agrees on certain assumptions we can make about the historical and archaeological record, but anything more granular than a century is false precision given what we have to work with. Folly Mox (talk) 18:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)