Talk:Tannhäuser

Disambiguate?
I would LOVE to disambiguate Pope Urban, for there are several - just having a very rough idea of when the story was set would inform us. 3, 11, 12, 13, 14 (twice), 16, and 17th century - I doubt it is any of the latter. --[[User:OldakQuill|Oldak Quill]] 10:08, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It's the 13th century one, from what I can gather from the corresponding German article and various web sources. That is, Pope Urban IV (have altered article text).

libretto?
The article states that the opera is set in the thirteenth century. If anyone can provide a libretto for the opera, or at least for the Pilgrims' Chorus "Begluckt darf nun dich, O Heimat" I'd be very interested to see it.--64.12.117.12 03:02, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

There are English and German libretti for Tannhäuser at www.rwagner.net (all his other operas too)

why on earth is a reference to SEED in Wiki Tannhauser page? Shouldn't the allusion to Tannhauser from Blade Runner be included too? What about Gunbuster: Aim for the Top?

I think the Gundam SEED *shudder* reference should be removed and put in a DIFFERENT entry. So should any other "Tanhauser" references.

The Japanese anime section needs to be removed, or put elsewhere. It doesn't belong here.--Cuchullain 00:44, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

I agree that the anime references are irrelevant and superfluous; indeed, many wiki entries are beginning to be cluttered with trivial information of this sort. (i.e., Tannhauser in Video Games, Tannhauser in Cookbooks, Tannhauser in Advertising, etc)

Venusburg?
The correct name for the place where Tannhäuser lived with Venus (worshipping her in a really down to Earth manner, until he got bored and decided to go back to the real world and unsuccessfully try to obtain pardon from a merciless Pope) is the Venusberg (German for the Mountain of Venus).

historical side
i have one of my dad's dad's world books and it says that tannhauser was a historical figure. somebody please put history down.

David Peoples did not write the "Tannhauser Gate" speech in Blade Runner
*** Arguments for and against. ***

Rutger Hauer actually wrote the "Tannhauser Gate" speech in Blade Runner. This is confirmed by screenwriter David Peoples, director Ridley Scott, and Hauer himself in the BBC Channel 4 documentary "On the Edge of Blade Runner" (the relevant segment is viewable here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjAcWD_DLCo&eurl=). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.120.254.211 (talk) 17:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC).

Counter argument to "David Peoples did not write the Tannhauser gate speech in Blade Runner.

The YouTube clip suggests that this contributor is correct, however, the wording is ambiguous, not saying exactly which lines are by Peoples and which were improvised by Hauer.

The book "Future Noir: The making of Blade Runner" by Paul M Sammon has the following quote from Rutger Hauer: "So when we filmed that speech, I cut a little bit out of the opening and then improvised these closing lines: 'All those moments will be lost, in time. Like tears in rain. Time to die.' "But you know, everyone always writes about me and that speech, and ignores the screenwriter. I thought David Peoples, the man who wrote that version of Batty's soliloquy, really did a beautiful job. I mean, I loved those images he came up with-'c-beams glittering near the Tanhauser (sic) gate, attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.' I thought they were really interesting, even if you didn't understand them." The page from the book is viewable here: --Agronox 11:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Heinrich T?
Altho the DramPers (list of roles) of the opera obscures the fact, via the single-word name for the title character, and the minor character Heinrich der Schreiber (Henry the Writer), the text of the libretto repeatedly demonstrates that the character Tannhäuser is addressed as "Heinrich" -- and I think never addressed nor referred to as "Tannhäuser" by another character (tho Venus seems to call him "Beloved"). Is the name "Heinrich" supported in the historical record? If we knew it weren't, we should probably mention in the accompanying bio of the historical figure that it is a later invention, perhaps by Wagner. --Jerzy•t 16:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Name
I presume "Tannhaeuser" is really his surname? Is his given name not known? Zacwill ( talk ) 16:49, 15 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Correct. No one knows his given name. 79.106.203.123 (talk) 12:27, 19 December 2023 (UTC)