Talk:Tasman Glacier

Requested move 24 October 2020

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Simplexity22 (talk) 16:25, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Tasman Glacier → Haupapa / Tasman Glacier – Proposing a move to the official dual name of the glacier, as per the NZGB Gazetteer. This reflects the growing use of dual names on Wikipedia articles for features which have them, such as nearby Aoraki / Mount Cook and Franz Josef / Waiau, as well as the various fiords of Fiordland, Avon River / Ōtākaro, and several other features across the country. This would also reflect how the glacier is referenced in various academic articles, New Zealand Geographic, and tourism operators. Turnagra (talk) 23:15, 24 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak support, though awkward it appears consistent with others. Vici Vidi (talk) 08:36, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Use of the dual name has become common over the last two years.  Schwede 66  16:41, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


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Requested move 7 January 2023

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The result of the move request was: Not moved.   EdJohnston (talk) 18:54, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Tasman Glacier → Haupapa / Tasman Glacier – Various sources use the dual name, as shown in the move request from 24 October 2020. Additionally, the use of dual names is becoming more common in New Zealand. Michael60634 (talk) 05:44, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Overwhelmingly the commonest name in English-language sources. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:24, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You make this comment on all dual name move requests, but never provide any evidence for it. Would you care to back up your claim? Turnagra (talk) 18:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * Support The move request back to the old name from last year was carried out alongside two glaciers which had much more tenuous use of dual names, which I think unfairly prejudiced discussion around the Tasman Glacier / Haupapa. Recent sources are regularly using the dual name, including several books on glaciers and NZ landforms, as well as the range of sources I previously identified in the 2020 move request. Some sources also refer to the glacier exclusively as Haupapa, which is able to be easily captured through use of the dual name instead of just the old name. This is also consistent with conventions around dual place name usage in NZ, as outlined above. Turnagra (talk) 18:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The current title is perfectly fine for this page. There is no reason to make the name of this page longer. The use of dual names becoming more common does not mean that the common name of this glacier is the proposed name, and Wikipedia conventions are not the same as conventions used elsewhere. --Spekkios (talk) 08:20, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Opposr per WP:COMMONNAME &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:43, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME if you're going to make that argument without more explanation, so will I! TreeReader (talk) 00:09, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Also, the use of dual names being more common does not mean we do have to follow this. Alfa-ketosav (talk) 16:14, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment nobody has provided proof that "Tasman Glacier" is the common name, while I'd note that multiple of the oppose votes seem to be more in line with WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. Turnagra (talk) 17:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:CONSISTENTcy with other glaciers in New Zealand, which also use the common parts of their dual names and do not involve the slash names. — HTGS (talk) 04:51, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The other two glaciers with dual names are hardly equivalent, as they're both significantly more famous with a longer history of tourism prior to the dual name being adopted and their names are significantly longer. Hell, Haupapa / Tasman Glacier is roughly equivalent in length to "Franz Josef Glacier" on its own. Turnagra (talk) 06:19, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose no new evidence has been presented since the previous move request, where it was proven that the common name is the current article title. WP:CONCISE and MOS:SLASH are also reasons to prefer the current title. BilledMammal (talk) 06:11, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I have never seen the glacier referred to as Haupapa. Google Trends figures for the last five years show that Tasman Glacier is more commonly searched for, and I suspect most of the searches for Haupapa are for the bay or the wine called Haupapa.Wainuiomartian (talk) 21:37, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd note that you not having heard of a name isn't grounds for what we define titles as - we're also not proposing a move to Haupapa, but rather a dual name. Turnagra (talk) 08:20, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Years for faster retreat
I'm trying to find sources for the current rate of retreat. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/02/ice-chunks-the-size-of-skyscrapers-break-off-new-zealand-s-tasman-glacier.html says over the 13 years 2010-2023, the average retreat is 150m per year. The Ref for faster retreats was a Massey University Press release which now seems to be gone - is the faster rate over the period 2000-2010? Newystats (talk) 06:49, 3 May 2023 (UTC)