Talk:Tawny owl

Trivial Fact and Subheading
"The renowned bird photographer Eric Hosking lost an eye to a Tawny Owl he was photographing. He went on to call his autobiography An Eye for a Bird". - Could we move this under a new subheading of Triva - it seems like a trivial fact and has actully nothing to with people themselves but rather what they have done. Under the people section it should state how they get along with people and not have stories or trivial facts about what the have done in the past. I am going to do this and put it under the subheading of "Trivia". Any qeuries go to my disscussion page and express your feelings there. LOTRrules 19:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Description: There are two basic colour types of Tawny Owls, one being rich chestnut-brown, the other having grays instead of deep browns. Intermediate birds are variously tawny-buff, buff-brown or grayish-brown in coloration.

The upperparts of the brown birds are of a rich tawny or sometimes a more tawny-chestnut hue, streaked, mottled and vermiculated with dark brown and blackish-brown, and mottled with lighter brown or tawny-buff. Bands of buff or whitish-buff mottling run back and outwards across the crown from the central upper edge of the facial disc. Black-brown mottling adjacent to these bands usually highlights this pattern. The shoulders are variably tipped and edged whitish, forming ragged pale 'braces'. The face is either pale rufous-buff, or deep buff with a tinge of rufous. The semi-circles and narrow ring surrounding the eyes are buff. The facial ruff is densely flecked and edged dark brown, forming a very narrow, dark edge to the facial disc. The bill is pale olive-yellow and the very large eyes have bluish-black irises. Underparts are whitish or buff. Wings are barred tawny-buff or buff and blackish-brown with brown mottling on the buff areas. Tail feathers are tawny to tawny-chestnut, with the outer feathers barred dark brown. All tail feathers are tipped grayish-white or buffish. The underwing is creamy-buff with a dingy brown wash and gray-brown bars across primaries and secondaries. There is a rufous-yellow wash on the tips of the underwing-coverts which are lightly streaked dark brown with broad black-brown tips to primary coverts forming a dark semi-circular mark near the bend of the wing. Legs are feathered and white with some brownish speckling. The claws are blackish with dirty white bases.

Gray-brown birds have the same basic pattern as brown birds, though all the browns are replaced by a much grayer hue.

Size: males: length: 41-43.5cm (16-17")  wing span: 91-95cm (35.8-37.4")  weight: 410-550g (14.5-19.4 oz) Females: length: 435-460 mm (17-18") wing span 94-105cm (37-41.3")   weight: 410-800g (14.5-28.2 oz)

Habits: Generally nocturnal, but sometimes active during the day. Flight is agile around trees, with relatively quick wingbeats. They will also glide on extended wings over open spaces, and may also hover. A very vocal bird, particularly during Autumn, winter and early Spring on clear calm nights. Can be very aggressive in nest defense.

Voice: The normal 'song' - the familiar hooting of the male has several functions: it is a territorial call, a courtship call, and an announcing call used when bringing food to the female. It consists of a long drawn out hooo, a pause, an abrupt and subdued ha, followed at once by a prolonged and resonant final phrase huhuhuhooo. Sometimes, the female makes a similar hooting sound to the mating male, however, the female's hooting is less clearly phrased than the male's, the last phrase having a more wailing quality, approximately wow-wow-hooo, sometimes described it as a grating, hoarse version of the normal song.

The contact call kewick and its variants is the most frequent utterance of the female, but it is also used by the male. In spring the female may answer the male's hoot with kewick as a kind of duet. When the female gives this call from the nest the male generally responds soon afterwards by bringing prey to her, loudly announcing his arrival.

A similar call is also made by the parents as a contact call when bringing prey to the fledged young. The young will answer with their cheeping call. Many other calls have been heard during courtship and in territorial disputes. Piercing coo-wik cries apparently express aggression.

Hunting and Food: Tawny Owls hunt almost entirely at night, usually waiting quietly on a perch, watching and listening. After detecting a prey animal moving in the grass, the Owl glides down or drops onto it and, at the moment of impact, extends its wings to cover the victim, which is usually killed immediately by the powerful feet and claws. Sometimes a blow from the beak at the base of the victim's skull is also used. Hunting on the wing alternating with hunting from a perch has been recorded in Sweden. Tawny Owls have been reported to beat their wings on bushes to startle birds into flight. They also snatch birds, and occasionally bats, from their roosting perches. Incubating birds, such as Blackbirds, Woodcocks and pigeons, have been picked off their nests. Prey taken include rabbits, moles, mice, shrews, voles, and other rodents. They also eat earthworms, insects (beetles especially), birds,  frogs,  fish,   lizards,  molluscs,  and crustaceans.

Pellets normally range from 30-70mm (1.2-2.75") in length and 18-26mm (0.7-1") in width, and are usually of a loose texture and gray when dry.

Breeding: Tawny Owls remain within their nesting territory all the year round and pair-bonds last for life. They are generally monogamous but some males are known to be polygynous. The first territorial fights occur as early as October and November, the male determining the territory, the female the nesting hole. The transition from autumn to winter is marked by a final establishment of territories and pre-breeding behaviour. The female and male tend more and more to roost together. Courtship feeding begins in the winter period (December to February), becoming progressively centred on the future nest site. In Europe the Tawny Owl usually begins breeding in mid-March.

During courtship the male perches near the female and sways from side to side, then up and down, raising first one wing then the other and finally both together. His plumage is puffed out, making him appear almost round, then tightly compressed. Meanwhile he grunts softly, sometimes sidling a foot or so along the branch and back again. He may indulge in wing-clapping and when pursuing the female will utter screeches, mewings, groans and rattles. The female may puff out and quiver her feathers.

Tawny Owls will nest in a natural hole or a nest box in a tree, but occasionally nests have been found on ledges of old buildings and in chimneys. They will also use the old nest of a crow, Magpie, Sparrowhawk or Buzzard, and sometimes a squirrel's drey. They will also use a Raven or Buzzard nest on a cliff or simply a bare ledge. According to Donald Watson, ground nests are quite common in Galloway, in south-west Scotland.

Tawny Owls lay from two to six eggs, but sometimes only one. The eggs are almost round and pure white and are about 46.7 x 39mm (1.84 x 1.54"). Normally, they are laid at intervals of 48 hours, and are incubated for 28-29 days by the female alone. When the young have hatched, the male brings more food, either to the nest or to the female waiting nearby. Once the chicks are 6-7 days old the female may leave the nest only to hunt, otherwise remaining near the young. Fledging occurs after 28 to 37 days. Tawny Owls are dependent on their parents for food up to three months after leaving the nest. As the young owls gradually learn to fend for themselves they also establish territories.

Territory size depends on terrain and prey availability. Territories may range from 12 ha (30 acres) in closed woodland, through 65-75 ha (162.5-187.5 acres) when living in beechwood with little lesser vegetation, to 102 ha (255 acres) in Norway, where the prey density is far less than in England or Belgium. The Tawny Owl defends its territory vigorously against neighbours with 'song', with threatening behaviour or in flying skirmishes. Predatory mammals, too, such as cats, foxes and dogs, are driven from the vicinity of the nest. Occasionally a Tawny Owl female with nestlings may attack a human approaching the nest, even in daylight, and may even draw blood with its talons. In Britain at least two people are known to have lost an eye from attacks. (Eric Hosking, the famous bird photographer, had this happen to him quite early in his career.)

Mortality: The Tawny Owl reaches sexual maturity within a year and can, therefore, breed during the first year of its life. In central Europe, one ringed Tawny Owl lived 18 years and 7 months and in Britain one caged Tawny Owl survived 27 years. Many young Tawny Owls lose their lives when trying to secure a territory inside the parental one - they must either starve or move out. The most common fatalities connected with man are collisions with vehicles, trains or wires, and getting trapped in buildings.

Habitat: Tawny Owls usually breed in broadleaved woodland and forests and open parklands although occasionally they inhabit coniferous forests. Though woodland is their preferred habitat, they are adaptable and have even taken up residence in cities such as London and Berlin where there are large wooded parks and gardens.

Distribution: The world distribution of Tawny Owls extends throughout Europe and North Africa (Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria) eastwards to Iran and western Siberia. The Asiatic range covers north-western India, the Himalayas, southern China, Korea and Taiwan. In Europe the Tawny Owl is the commonest and most widespread owl, being absent only in Ireland, the extreme north of Scotland, northern Russia, northern Scandinavia, Iceland and some of the Mediterranean islands.

Status: Generally common.

Original Description: Linnaeus, Carolis. 1758. Systema Naturae (Syst. Nat.) ed. 10: p 93.

Comments
Okay! So I really am the owner of http://owlpages.com and I shared a lot of valuable information to WIkipedia, enjoy! -Faetie

Misc. notes x 2

 * I'd put the note about the book mentioned above (the eye thingy) in the in culture section, which is currently a bit stubby anyway.


 * Is Eurasia widely understood by laypeople - or would it be better to say Europe and Asia? Not sure on this one.

GA Review
The GA review has been archived and can be accessed via Talk:Tawny Owl/GA1. Dr. Cash (talk) 21:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes!
I am so pleased this is the featured article of today! Bravo! Hands of gorse, heart of steel (talk) 00:47, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Popular culture section is indiscriminate
It's nice that we're quoting Wordsworth and Shakespeare and I understand the temptation to jazz up an article with such quotations from the literary heights, but I think this section is totally indiscriminate. These are impliedly about this owl, but they are not and to that extent it's misleading. The quotes are about owls, and would be maybe proper in the article on the species, but I find this improper in an article on a subspecies. What would be your rationale if someone wanted to add to this seciton something from Harry Potter where owls are frequently featured, or some obscure doggerel from this or that. What would be your reason for removing that but keeping this?--141.155.144.171 (talk) 01:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A valid point about references to generic owls over this particular kind of owl... SGGH ping! 03:02, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * As the principle editor, I'd like to say that the above good faith comments are incorrect. Although the examples given do not mention the Tawny Owl by name, they refer to hooting, and the only owl in Britain or Rome which hoots is this species. I'm quite ruthless trimming popular culture sections, but I'm happy with these. I'm not sure why the Tawny is described as a subspecies by the anon isp, there is no doubt that this is a full species  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:57, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm happy then as that is the case. SGGH ping! 11:07, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Having looked again at the references for the Welsh stories, read the Mabinogion extract, and checked cy.wikipedia, I don't now think that the last paragraph, added by another editor, can be reliably attributed to this species, so now removed. Thanks for raising the point  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  11:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit war on minor changes
Following up on an edit war in the main article, e.g. Folks, these kinds of minor changes are discouraged because they are somewhat a matter of taste, but especially because they create work for editors and administrators.

I'm a professional editor, let me comment on the two versions. In general, fewer words saying a similar thing are better, because every word read takes a little extra time. Oppositely, multi-syllable words and complex sentence structure take longer to read. So it's somewhat a matter of taste whether

"commonly found in woodlands" or "which is common in woodlands"

Possibly an advanced reader would prefer the first, while a non-native English speaker would find the second easier.

"night time" vs. "nighttime". It may look a little funny, but "nighttime" is a word in Webster's Third and other dictionaries. "Night time" might be considered non-standard.

"five" vs. "5"

Numbers under ten are commonly spelled out in general material.

"an important" vs. "a important". The second is wrong.

"Known for it's giant nostrils". This is an mistake "it's" is a contraction meaning "it is". The sentence doesn't make sense as "Known for it is giant nostrils".

As for "inhaling humans", that's vandalism, which rather prejudices the case against the other edits, which might then be assumed to be "bad faith".

Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 08:46, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Redirects
Can I just ask why is this at the top of the page - "For the suburb of Upper Hutt, New Zealand, see Upper Hutt." I have absolutely no idea how or why you would get to a page of the Tawny Owl when looking for the Suburb of Upper Hut - can anyone explain? 125.237.89.115 (talk) 00:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Featured article status
This article is probably due for FA review. It has been almost 7 years and the talk page shows that there has been some discord on editing style. Also, odd that there is no species distribution map. How is such a critical element lacking? --Gaff (talk) 05:03, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Range map
The Range map presented here is a complete one??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.236.86.168 (talk) 14:31, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't look like the range map is complete as it mentions in the distribution section that the Tawny owl is known from India, Burma and northwestern Africa.Lavalizard101 (talk) 10:18, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Such a complex range mentioned. It would be great to have a map. (None currently.) Jidanni (talk) 18:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


 * see diff, which I took from Commons.--Eostrix (talk) 10:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

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Tawny owl's night vision better than humans or not?
First sentence of last paragraph in lede says, "Although many people believe this owl has exceptional night vision, its retina is no more sensitive than a human's...", with no reference for this statement. But an owl website, World Owl Trust, on page https://www.owls.org/owl-educational-visits/owl-information, in the section 'Eyes', says, "Tawny owls would appear to have the best developed eyes of all the owls, indeed of all vertebrates, being probably about 100 times more sensitive at low light levels than our own." And that information is then referenced to in the lede of Wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_cell. Another source, https://www.nationalgeographic.org/media/birds-eye-view-wbt/, says, "Owls have almost a million rods per square millimeter (1,550 per square inch). Humans have about 200,000 rods per square millimeter (310 per square inch)." So I wonder if the Tawny owl's night vision is or is not better than humans night vision? UnderEducatedGeezer (talk) 02:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * UnderEducatedGeezer, this is a featured article, so you wouldn't expect references in the lead since it's a summary of the following text. You will see the discussion of its eyesight in paras 3&4 of the description section, referenced to peer reviewed journals and specialist books.
 * Although its retinal sensitivity is only slightly better than that of humans, the Tawny Owl has other optical features which help to give it better night vision than us (all birds have an eye structure which gives them better vision than mammals for the same eye size, see bird vision). Worthy though they might be, I don't think that the Owl Trust or National Geographic are reliable sources, and their claims don't have RS sources either.
 * All nocturnal owls rely heavily on their hearing for hunting anyway, and experiments have shown that they can catch prey even in total darkness, when eyesight is of no use at all Jimfbleak - talk to me?  06:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Okey dokey, & thanks, I was just curious! And I see that the conversions at National Geographic from rods per square millimeter to rods per square inch must be way wrong, too.  UnderEducatedGeezer (talk) 21:32, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Revert to 14 Jan 2020 version
Pinging,. I've boldly reverted this article to the version of 14 January 2020.

When it was promoted in 2008 the article contained 26kB. Over the next 12 years it increased in size to 30kB but then on 22 January 2020 the article was expanded to 251kB in a single edit, an 8-fold increase in size. This clearly made it a very different article from the one that was promoted in 2008. In my opinion the expanded article no longer met the FA criteria. All FAs can be improved but any significant change should be discussed on the article's Talk page. Problems with the expanded article:

- Aa77zz (talk) 08:50, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The expanded article often included too much detail and was not written in summary style.
 * The article wasn't improved by including a mention of almost every study ever published on the tawny owl.
 * The right-hand column of the table listing the subspecies was very narrow and extremely difficult to read. In my view it is better to list the subspecies in the Taxonomy section and then discuss how they differ in the Description section (following the example of HBW) as in the promoted version.
 * Why were citations added to the lead?
 * The added references - 400 of them - were not formatted in the style of the original article which used the cite journal/book templates. For example, the added references had journal article titles in italics rather than quotes. Also some books didn't have page numbers, no dois or ISBNs were included ... etc.


 * Aa77zz Yes, I hadn't really noticed this, but it's clearly not close to the FA version. It's inevitable that bird article have to use some primary sources, but, as you say, not the whole caboodle. I don't know why the material in the last ssp column was put there, I think it's more normal to put all but the briefest descriptions or comments of ssp in a text section. And of course citations in the lead have been deprecated for many years, since it's a summary of referenced text, not new info Jimfbleak - talk to me?  09:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

cat owl?
Why does cat owl redirect here? "Cat owl" doesn't show up anywhere in this article nhinchey (talk) 21:38, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * No idea why. The redirect has been there since 2009. I've changed it to Long-eared owl as that article mentions cat owl as an alternative name. I don't know if cat owl is a more general term for more than one species, say for the genus, because of the "ears", but at least now the redirect and target article are consistent. —  Jts1882 &#124; talk 08:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Male and female calls
Robert E Fuller, who has studied tawny owls and posted several videos on his Youtube channels, including named individuals calling, claims that both sexes can produce the full range of sounds, including the famous kew-wick call and the typical hooting. Its funny how 'facts' get copied from one source to another without actually verifying the evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.193.28.115 (talk) 19:26, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

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