Talk:Tesla and unions/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 23:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

No images to review; Earwig finds no issues. Will look at sources next. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:43, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

That's it for a first pass; once these points are addressed I'll read through again and do some spotchecks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
 * What makes wnylabortoday.com a reliable source?
 * ✅ Now removed, the article rotted too and wasn't archived ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There's a "needs update" tag on the "as of 2016" statement in the lead; can you update that? If the information is not available, I'm OK with deleting the tag.
 * Everything in the lead should also be in the body, since the lead is a summary of the body of the article. The statement that "Tesla was the only major American auto manufacturer without a union in the United States or Germany" appears not to be in the body, though in the Germany section it does say "one of the few".
 * ✅ ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * The lead now says "As of 2016, Tesla was the only major American auto manufacturer without a union in the United States. It is similar in Germany."  "Similar" doesn't really mean anything here -- if it means "only" by reference to the previous sentence then it's not supported in the body.  The situation in Germany seems a bit difficult to summarize concisely for an English-speaking audience, since there is a works council and a Betriebsvereinbarung.  The statements at the start of the "Germany" section probably should have an "As of 2021", by the way, since the supporting source is dated 2021. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 12:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That's fixed, but the "As of 2016" date has been removed -- I think it needs to be put back in. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:48, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "Despite facing allegations of high injury rates, long hours, and below-industry pay, efforts to unionize the workforce have been largely unsuccessful." Suggest deleting "facing"; the company faced these allegations, not the efforts.
 * ✅ ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "In October 2017, Tesla fired Richard Ortiz, which the NLRB later ruled to be illegal retaliation". We need to say who Ortiz is -- he hasn't been mentioned before.  Was he working with Moran to help organize for the UAW?
 * ✅ yup and elaborated! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * What was the reasoning behing the NLRB's order? That "give up stock options" is a threat?  From the footnote I see that's the case, but I think that should be clearer to the reader without making them go to the footnotes.
 * ✅ ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * There doesn't seem to be any mention of unions in the "Grohmann" subsection; it's just about negotiations. From the intro to the section I would guess Grohmann was unionized when acquired but is not now; is that right?
 * ✅ Grohmann did not seem to have a collective agreement before. That said, I think what it means to be 'unionized' or not, has different meaning in Germany from US. Here, a Works Council negotiated with assistance of IG Metall (and individual union members even threatening a strike) to achieve a Works Council agreement. I expanded on this subtlety as much as I could. The union involvement is notable enough here imho. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "initiated a Works Council proceeding": what does this mean? That they wanted to establish a Works Council?
 * What's the relevance of the Netherlands section? Again there's no mention of unions. If the topic of the article is really "Tesla's labor relations" I think it should be renamed, but I also think that would significantly expand the scope of the article.
 * ✅ sadly agreed. I expected to find more sources about FNV and the Tilburg plant in Dutch perhaps, but have not succeeded so far. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the first round of reviews, I believe it is ready for a second round. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * One follow up comment above. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Spotchecks -- footnote numbers refer to this version.
 * FN 6 cites "In October 2017, Tesla fired Richard Ortiz who was organizing alongside Moran, which the NLRB later ruled to be illegal retaliation." Mostly verified, but there's no mention of Moran -- I would just make this "who had been one of the union organizers" or something like that to avoid the need for another source.'
 * ✅ ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


 * FNs 17 & 18 cite "In February 2023, workers at Gigafactory New York in Buffalo involved with labeling data for Tesla Autopilot announced a unionization effort with Workers United. Workers United is affiliated to SEIU, the same union that successfully led the union drive at the Starbucks store also in Buffalo." I can't see the text of FN 18; from the other source I can see support for some of this -- the date, the fact that these workers label data for Autopilot in Buffalo, the mention of Workers United.  I can't see anything that names the location as Gigafactory, or the mention of Starbucks -- can you quote here the bits of FN 18 that support that?
 * ✅ replaced CNBC source with Verge article that explicitly references Gigafactory. The Bloomberg source can be accessed with WP:LIBRARY account here and additionally, I have enclosed two open-access news articles so others can verify it too, even if they don't have WMF Library access. It discusses the first Starbucks union store being 6 mile away and being supported by Jaz Brisack a barista/union organizer. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)


 * FN 14 cites "In March 2022 Musk invited the United Auto Workers (UAW) union to hold a vote at their convenience." Verified -- I can only see snippets of this source but it looks OK to me.
 * FN 3 cites "In 2010, Tesla acquired the formerly unionized NUMMI plant in Fremont, California which was rebranded as the Tesla Fremont Factory." I don't see support for "rebranded as the Tesla Fremont Factory".  If you just mean that it became a Tesla factory in Fremont, rather than it acquired this specific name, I'd rephrase -- perhaps just deleting everything after "California" would do it.
 * I have changed inline text, but also added a source that explicitly states NUMMI was rebranded. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe your spot checks have been addressed, and also the claim in the lede. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

All the spotchecks look good now. There's one unstruck point above -- I think another editor took out the "as of 2016" in the lead; once you put that back in I can promote this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 10:55, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Passing; last fix is done. Congratulations! Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 00:51, 31 May 2023 (UTC)