Talk:The Adventures of Tintin/Archive 2

Redubs
You can watch them on Dubtoons.com or YouTube. Shouldn't they be added? 82.38.53.3 23:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Snowy
"With a few exceptions, Snowy never speaks, since he is only a dog. However, He always manages to communicate well with Tintin in spite of these biological facts." It's been a while since I've read any Tintin, but I clearly remember Snowy speaking quite often. Whether anyone could hear him or not is a different story - like with Garfield, it always seemed a bit ambiguous - but he often had speech balloons. Am I totally misremembering? -leigh (&#966;&#952;&#8057;&#947;&#947;&#959;&#962;) 20:24, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)


 * He spoke a lot in the early albums. But in the later ones as well. Like at the end of "Flight 714". He usually seems to be contemplating to himself, not really communicating orally.


 * I stumbled arcoss this page because it was linked to the main page and have never read the Tintin comics but this line "Like Captain Haddock, Snowy is fond of Whiskey of the Loch Lomond brand, and his occasional bouts of alcoholism tend to get him into problems" struck me as a little odd. The dog has a drinking problem? I thought it might be possible vandalism or something.

--The_stuart 18:47, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Not a drinking problem, really. Snowy likes the taste of alcohol, but doesn't seem to be aware of its consequences. I don't think it's alcoholism, as much as inebriation.


 * Isn't it completely natural that a French cartoon should glamorize and trivialize alcoholism? Lestrade 02:15, 10 January 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
 * Would you change your opinion if I told you the cartoon wasn't French? (Which you would know if you took the time to read the article...) Glaurung 07:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * As though Belgian culture is not saturated with French influence. Is it my subjective point of view that such Franco-Belgian comics trivialize alcoholism by portraying a dog as being drunk? There is no more vulgar or low way to get a comic effect than by showing a character as being inebriated. Crude and dull people laugh at drunks. Showing a baby or child affected by alcohol is sure to raise a laugh among unintelligent folks. According to Schopenhauer, the laugh comes from the mismatch between the perceived figure, who has lost self-control, and the concept of a dignified individual, which the figure normally represents.Lestrade 13:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)Lestrade

One occasion I can remember where Tintin obviously hears and understands him is in the Castafiore Emerald in the scene where they are hidden in the old trunk awaiting whatever it is that's makeing the footsteps in the attic. There may be others, of course. Peter1968 13:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone agree that the line "He is aided in his adventures from the beginning by his faithful dog Snowy (Milou in French)" in the third paragraph should read "his faithful dog Milou (Snowy in English)" since the comic was originally written in French and not English? Pink erin 14:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

But this is the English Wikipedia and the article is in English! Calling him by his Frence name wouldn't make sense, even though the comic was originally in French. Besids, most of the readers of the article are likely to have first encountered Snowy as Snowy, not Milou. --85.130.145.82 12:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I just recently read a few comics, and I am certain that TinTin could understand him (at least, in the earliest ones). Maybe it was just retconned. Also, he does seem to like alcohol a lot, but don't all animals actually like alcohol (or mead) if they can get ahold of it? Also Lestred, it's just cheap, 5-cent humor don't take it so seriously (sorry if I'm offending you)... - Mediumwikiuser

Split this article?
This article is getting quite long. Perhaps we should split The Adventures of Tintin with The Adventures of Tintin (television), with a disambig notice at the top. -leigh (&#966;&#952;&#8057;&#947;&#947;&#959;&#962;) 02:13, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)
 * I think that's a good idea, because a lot more commentary and analysis about the television series in general could be added. &#8211;&#8211; Constafrequent (talk page) 06:06, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Why on earth do the character pages redirect to this page?
If the fictional countries like Syldavia and Neuvo Rico have their own pages, despite playing very trivial roles, why don't the major characters like Captain Haddock have their own pages? It's not logical.--212.100.250.207 07:27, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Redrawings
I'm surprised there isn't any information here on the redrawings; they're referenced all over the place, yet explained nowhere. When did the "modern" style kick in? How many were redrawn entirely? What was changed?
 * The early Black-and-White books were redrawn, largely because there was a paper shortage in Belgium at that time. They were colorized, though. Apart from that, "The black island" was completely redrawn for the British edition (in the 60's, I think), because the British publisher believed that Britain was depicted too old-fashioned.
 * This subject should have its own page. There are many things to say about the redrawings, and much has been published about them. Troublesome aspects of this subject are that, for one reason or another -- husbanding potentially valuable publishing material probably among them -- the redrawing and reworking sources have sometimes only been made available in a piecemeal fashion -- a page or two at a time. In other cases, entire versions of earlier Tintin books have been republished. For example "Achives Hergé" volume 4 has early versions of three albums. It's not going to be easy to explain briefly differences between the current albums and this 353 page collection.Alpha Ralpha Boulevard 00:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Tintin Movie
Apparently Spielberg is producing a Tintin movie: http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=20254 -Adjusting 07:48, 2005 May 21 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've created a new page for this: Tintin (2009 film)
 * -Timberlax 22:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Tintin & Universal
''A special limited edition of The Adventures of Tintin home video collection, with 21 full-length episodes and 7 exclusives have been featured in 7 three-in-one volumes. It is scheduled for release on VHS and DVD in North America by Universal Studios Home Video around early 2006.''

Can anyone confirm this ? I've searched around and can't find anything on the Internet. I also am not convinced that seven episodes exist in addition to the 21 originals - the 21 were adapted from the 21 books available in English at the time. For there to be 28 episodes, the remaining three books (one black and white, one questionable in content and one massively unfinished) would have to have been produced plus four entirely new stories. Can anyone give any sort of confirmation for this, or indeed anything relating to the Tintin/Universal topic ? Richard W 28 June 2005 15:56 (UTC)

Loch Lomond whisky
There is a real Loch Lomond whisky. Was this around in Hergé's day, and if so did he know about it? Also, has this ever caused any problems with the portrayal of the fictional brand? (I had some of the real stuff in Scotland recently; can't say I was that impressed!) Loganberry (Talk) 04:14, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, they have a French version of their Web page, which seems to show they're aware of the comic label(?).
 * There's no date for the Loch Lomond brand before 1985 in their history. Marketing hype ? Ericd 16:45, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Syldavia
"Syldavia in the Balkans is by Hergé's own admission modelled on Albania". I am inclined to think that Syldavia is more modelled from Austria, Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia. Source please ! Ericd 16:42, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly certain it's in Hergé by Pierre Assouline; I haven't got the book to hand but I'm sure Hergé cites Albania as the country he based Syldavia on (despite the obvious Anschluss allusions). Will check the book and cite the source. Richard W 22:55, 14 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Source checked and cited. A rough translation of the quote would be: "If you have a vague knowledge of history, you'll see it's completely based on fact. Syldavia is Albania. It's about the preparation of annexation. If you want to benefit from this concurrence, it's now or never."Richard W 14:39, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

The japanese name of Thomson and thompson
If i believe what was written in Japanese (in katakana) on your Tintin page, the 'tranlsation' of their names is not "Dupont" and "Duvont" but "Dyupon" and "Dyubon" (sounds a bit like "dyoopon" and "dyoobon"). It's a detail but ... HTH.
 * Isn't that basically a transliteration from the French pronunciation? The best that could be done, considering the limited amount of Japanese different phonemes. 85.226.122.165 13:22, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

IMHO, no. "dyubon" is closer of "dubont" than "duvont" if we have to chose a francisized (?, frenchified ?) version of 'dyubon'.

IMO : it should be said that their names are : "dyupon" and "dyubon". Anyway, that's the direct translation of the katakanas you gave and as such it should be considered as the Japanese version of their names, I think. My 2 cents.

"SON OF TINTIN"
(boxed comments were deleted and later reinstated, see below) Who is Son of Tintin and does he fit in this article? If he doesn't, I'll continue to remove the content when added.Poulsen 14:00, 8 December 2005 (UTC) It is somebody's modern comic that has no connection to Tintin aside from the drawings are swiped - er, derived from it. It's a pay site, as well. It's an inappropriate link and should continue to be removed. - DavidWBrooks 14:33, 8 December 2005 (UTC) Blatant linkspam. Flapdragon 15:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I found this in the section "Race and colonialism":
 * SON OF TINTIN
 * The spirit of Tintin it is said by many fans lives on in a very Tintinish hero called Tristan according to fans on various forums such as on Tintinologist.org[http://www.tintinologist.org Many fans have said, that if Tintin had a son, it would be TRISTAN. The comic, A Brood of Adders, is very much in the Tintin genre but is only available as an ecomic at www.tristancomics.com.
 * The spirit of Tintin it is said by many fans lives on in a very Tintinish hero called Tristan according to fans on various forums such as on Tintinologist.org[http://www.tintinologist.org Many fans have said, that if Tintin had a son, it would be TRISTAN. The comic, A Brood of Adders, is very much in the Tintin genre but is only available as an ecomic at www.tristancomics.com.

Its poor formatting and lack of relevence made me suspect it was just an attempt to advertise these sites, and it didn't really add anything to the article, so I deleted it. — Saric (Talk) 01:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Note: Somebody, presumably the SON OF TINTIN poster, is removing comments from this talk page. Obviously the modern comic is linkspam and irrelevant and will be removed. - DavidWBrooks 13:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Persistent little spammer isn't he. Posts anonymously from a range of IP addresses starting "60.228.116.". I've tried to reinstate the deleted comments above. Flapdragon 14:58, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * "Zadoc" is at it again. Linkspam irritated me so much I actually signed up for a user account to nuke it. --EStoner 06:41, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Particularly annoying (though not directly relevant to the question of whether it's linkspam) is his claim that his comic is "in the tradition of Tintin", when it shows an obvious streak of anti-Semitism that would have been alien to Hergé. (And in fact makes it more dated than the original.) Flapdragon 11:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * "In the tradition of" means "visually ripped off from" - DavidWBrooks 12:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I looked at the site and I think you really are a bunch of downers, and as for anti-semitism, wow, that is term getting banded around an awful lot these days. What is it, a censor tool just to stiffle anything someone else doesn't like? In the tradition of means ripped off? Give the readers a bit more credit, let readers make up their own mind. In the tradition of means to follow in a trend and so what? So many things are in a tradition of, sport teams do so, food makers do so, wine growers do so, car makers do so...big deal! I think, that when you guys can draw as good as Zadoc then may be you can start being critical. Programing and deprograming is just clicking away at something someone else has already created, and you have the nerve to speak as experts on the process of creativity? Ha! &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.231.179.236 (talk &bull; contribs), at 15:01, 15 December 2005.


 * This is now clearly a case of vandalism from anonymous IP addresses, presmably for commercial reasons, though it's not clear whether it's by or with the approval of the author of the comic concerned. If you (60.231.179.236) are Zadoc or acting on his behalf you are wasting your time, as vandalism is not likely to increase sales of the comic to anyone round here, and anyway (as you've found out) your edits get deleted on sight. Flapdragon 14:23, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I suppose we could e-mail Zadoc from the link on his page and ask him to stop. Sometimes that just aggravates people and makes them more truculant, though. By the way, I think creating an article about his comic would be perfectly reasonable - there are wikipedia articles galore about much more amateurish web comics. The only problem is the attempt to piggy-back on Tintin. - DavidWBrooks 15:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Zadoc responded very fully and constructively to an email asking him to make clear that he is not behind the spamming of this page, and has posted his reply here. (So for the record this is definitely the real Zadoc.) Flapdragon 23:44, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for your email I appreciate you informing me of this. I think I know who is doing this, I will not mention any names but he is a young and very keen supporter of my work, he loves the story and he promised to help me get the site well known. I will be talking to him over the weekend and you will not have any such problems again.
 * You see, Tasmania is a very small economy and artists find it hard to get by at the best of times, here even more so, so he had his own ideas and told me to trust him. I have in the meantime read comment on this page and may I please state my case? My teenage life was in Holland and Tintin was but one of the many such style of comics that I loved. I used the term on my site, “In the tradition of…” to stress to the English speaking world that my comic was not in the American style (and that is not to be taken as knocking American comics, please!) but in the European style, and as you may notice, I did not say in the tradition of Tintin, I stated in the tradition of Tintin, Blake & Mortimer, Agent 327, Suske & Wiske (Spike & Suzie) and Franka… because these are very typical Netherlandish comic styles which I loved and I wanted to bring to Australia, I wanted an Australian comic in that style or tradition. I wanted to blend my Dutch heritage with my Australian reality.
 * My story is set in the island state of Tasmania, it is a beautiful part of the world and I wanted to share this with the world through the enjoyable medium of comic entertainment, and to me, the Netherlandish tradition allows for this due to the great detail it has for depicting the settings in the comics of that trend. It is thus not a case of plagiarism but one of continuity of ones love and heritage.
 * I also noted David W Brook’s suggestion to contact me. That I would welcome very much. His suggestion of a feature would be great and I would be most thankful and any help I can get to gain acknowledgement would be most appreciated and would be happy to cooperate in any way. If ever he came to Tasmania, I would be most happy to meet with him. I am a struggling artist and I need any help and seek opinions. I know one can not please everyone, but I don’t wish to displease everyone. Please understand, I have done this whole thing on my own, I have spent 2 years drawing and colouring it and redrawing, asking peoples opinions and modifying the story and characters without trying to lose the guts and depth of the story too much. If your readers see a problem, let me know and let’s see if the problem is real and how can it be fixed. My dream was to be a comic writer years ago, this is my first serious attempt, I don’t want it to die a death. I need all the help I can get, your criticism if genuine is appreciated, but don’t give this in outlandish statements, give these in a way that a constructive outcome is reached. I am too close to my own story to see its faults. Again, thank you Harry for you email.
 * Yours truly,
 * Zadoc

Sondonesians?
it that a misspelled? i'm from indonesia, and the indonesian version of the comic mentions that tintin is in indonesia (although maybe a fictional indonesia). HoneyBee 11:12, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * No, it's not a typo. I think Hergé was trying to continue his tradition of creating fictional countries. Seen from that point of view Sondonesia might be a fictional country. Or like you said a fictional Indonesia. Meursault2004 22:20, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I remenber Tintin landing in Jakarta. However the rebels are "Sondonesians". Ericd 10:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I have my copy of Flight 714 beside me. Tintin & co. land in Jakarta as a stopover on their way to Sydney, but they fly out on Carreidas's plane that lands on an island somewhere in the Pacific (but not necessarily on an Indonesian isle). I would hazard a guess that "Sondonesia" is a fictional country whose inhabitants speak some form of Bahasa. Noelle De Guzman (talk) 16:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * IMO Sondonesia is not even a country it's a imaginary region. The Sondonesian are independantists rebels. Ericd 18:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's fictitious, it's a mix between the Sunda Islands (îles de la Sonde (in French, hence the "Sondo-" prefix), there is also a "détroit de la Sonde" (Sunda strait) - both in this region of the world) and Indonesia. - Waggg 03 August 2006


 * What would be the name of the inhabitants of the "Iles des la Sonde" in French ? "Sondonésiens" is quite good IMO. Was there any independentist movement ? Maybe it's not fictitious ? Ericd 20:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC) I made some search and Bali seem to be the main island of the "Iles des la Sonde" and dominant religion in Bali is Hinduism while Indonesia dominant is religion Islam, on the other hand there's Komodo dragons on the island. But Komodo inhabitants are mostly Muslims. Considering various islands where the dragon live Flores, mostly catholic seems to be a close match for Hergé Island. Ericd 20:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC) It is Flores or at least "sort of...." there's three lakes on the Island. Well, original research.... Ericd 20:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


 * considering Sondonesian is fictious, the independentist movement is probably a work of fiction too. Herge probably just mixing up some of the Indonesian cultures, languages, religions, and inhabitants with his own fiction. most of Eastern islands are dominated by Christianity, Catholism, Buddhism, and Hinduism (e.g. Komodo island). most of Western islands are dominated by Islam (e.g. Java island. Herge could just pick an island and turned it into the story that we know now. HoneyBee 22:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Commander Haddock
In the comic book The Shooting Star I had noticed that Captain Haddock was wear the rank braid of a Commander (like that of the Canadian Navy, three braids, and nothing else). Therefore, I had begun to believe that Haddock's rank in French was actually Capitaine de frégate (which translate litterally as Frigate Captain), but which is in fact a Commander of the Canadian Navy, Royal Navy, American Navy, etc. I would therefore believe that Haddock is in fact, a Commander. Christophe T. Stevenson.
 * I only have the Danish translations, but on page 12 in Tintin and the Picaros colonel Alvarez greets Haddock as "commander captain" and Haddock answers he is "just a captain" but I don't know how that is in English (or French). Poulsen 20:26, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't believe the books ever made reference to Haddock being a naval Captain. He was the captain of the merchant vessel Karaboudjan when introduced in The Crab with the Golden Claws, technically Ship's Master. The term 'captain' in civilian context is a much looser term. Pipnosis 16:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Separate pages for Tintin characters
Due to the recent creation of separate pages for characters in Tintin (which has both advantages and inconvenients), I removed information about the main characters on this page, leaving just links to the separate articles. However Poulsen pointed me to the fact that information about the main characters should be left in the main article. As a result, I trimmed down the entries on the main page to leave the essential, but still explain who's who. I propose that new material for the characters should be added to the pages Tintin and Snowy, Captain Haddock, Professor Calculus and Thomson and Thompson Glaurung 14:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Are separate pages for the characters really necessary? I can just about see a justification for pages for Tintin & Snowy, Haddock and Calculus and maybe Castafiore and Rastapopoulos but I can see no point in pages for Joylon Wagg or Nestor let alone Mr Bolt or Klumsi and Kronik! Joe King 10:02, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * My sentiments exactly. If you look at the history of Minor characters in Tintin, it was a selection of characters (some more notable than others) until yesterday, when all entries were split up. Like Joe King, I don't feel that each and every character merits an individual article. The old list of "Minor character..." was a good way to convey information on subjects too small for their own artcles. I think we should re-instate the old page with multiple entries for at least the characters now dubbed "Minor Characters:" in the Tintin template: Professor Alembick, The Bird Bros. (Max & G. Bird), Mr. Bohlwinkel, Mr. Bolt, Cutts the butcher, Irma (Tintin character), Krônik and Klûmsi, Puschov, remove Quick and Flupke (only one cameo appearence in The Seven Crystal Balls - then we include Edgar Pierre Jacobs and Hergé himself on the list as well, with their various appearences), Sanders-Hardiman expedition members, Christopher Willoughby-Drupe and Marco Rizotto and Igor Wagner, as well as a number of characters from the "Major Characters:" header. Poulsen 11:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * When I noticed that separate pages have been created for every character, I also noticed that the situation created was close to a plate of Spaghetti : Same text appeared twice (on the Adventures ... and Minor ... pages as well as on the newly created pages), wikilinks were somtimes linking to the separate articles and sometimes to the two main pages. I took the liberty to finish User:All Poofed Up task by completing what he did, because I saw no sense in reverting his numerous edits. Besides, the Minor ... page was becoming quite long. Of course, I don't feel that we need to have separate pages for every characters. I think that restoring the Minor ... page with the minor characters from the template would be a good idea. We can keep separate pages for the Main and Major characters. Glaurung 15:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I just moved some characters on the template from Major to Minor. The minor list is now : Professor Alembick | The Bird Bros. (Max & G. Bird) | Mr. Bohlwinkel | Mr. Bolt | Laszlo Carreidas | Chiquito | Cutts the butcher | Irma | Klumsi and Kronik | Puschov | Quick and Flupke | Sanders-Hardiman Expedition Members | Sophocles Sarcophagus | Christopher Willoughby-Drupe and Marco Rizotto | Bobby Smiles | Tharkey | Igor Wagner | Wang Yen-Chi. I propose to re-create the Minor character in Tintin with these persons, and leave the major chracters on their separate page. Does that seem a good compromise? Glaurung 16:05, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That sounds good to me, however for me there's still uncertainty in who are minor and who are major? Mitsuhirato (1 album), General Tapioca (1 album), Zorrino (1 album), Frank Wolff (1 storyline), and Pablo (Tintin character) (2 albums, very minor) aren't major as I see it... I've written All Poofed Up, it might be best to wait for a response before taking action. Poulsen 16:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, All Poofed Up has not answered, so let's just start with your list? Poulsen 09:32, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Some characters demand mention in the main article, as the article is a featured one and should be as comprehensive as possible.Just names of the characters with wikilink should be provided.And adding images, especially to an article relating to comics, helps generate interest in an uninitiated reader.
 * Interestingly, there are certain characters that appeared only in one or two albums, while they are remembered much more than some other more frequent ones.This factor should be bourne in our mind when placing/ displacing some character from the article.Bye.--Dwaipayanc 18:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Linkbox
I think there are severla things missing in the Linkbox, I think at least the "Tintin and the Temple of the Sun" and "Tintin and I" movies should be added., as well as the two animated series and maybe some of the more important books about Tintin. I don't know hopw to edit, though, so I'm just giving a proposal. 惑乱 分からん 15:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Jivaros
The Broken Ear depicted the famous "head-shrunkers" Jivaros according to the classic barbarian stereotype. Jivaros' real name are the Shuari.''

I've removed the bit about "barbarian stereotype" as it's not at all clear what that means or whether it's true. The linked article barbarian points out that the word has meant many different things to different people. A tribe of Indians who play golf isn't really a stereotype, for a start! Flapdragon 17:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Tintin in the USA
Why is Tintin the only European comic widely known in the USA? J I P | Talk 18:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The Smurfs are big in the U.S. They are Belgian too. Their French name is Les Schtroumpfs. I'll let you smurf what 'schtroumpfer' smurfs.

Smurfs though is only known in cartoon format in the US. Asterix is one of the few other european comics that I can think of thats known in the US. Black arrow 01:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Lucky Luke is rather well known as well, I believe (or is that only in Canada?). Fram 07:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * As far as I'm aware, it's only in Canada, although new English translations still seem to be made. In the 90's, Fantasy Flight Publishing decided to market the series in USA, with apparently disastrous results. 惑乱 分からん 23:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

References to Tintin in Popular Culture
David Sanborn has a song on his Inside album called "Tin Tin Deo". I have no idea if it has anything whatsoever to do with Tintin. Does anyone know? -- Jalabi99 11:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Fan email?
What's up with the weird hotmail adress in the external link section? That seems grossly misplaced but before I remove it I wanted to ask anyone who's worked on this entry for longer than I have. Cheers, Mabuse 19:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well spotted. Removed. Flapdragon 20:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Marlinspike location
The discussion of this and other aspects of Tintin (the nationality of Haddock, etcetera) should not focus on what can be seen in translated versions of the comic, but only on what appears in the original French versions. The chance that a castle with the name of "Moulinsart" and the looks of Cheverny is located in England is slim. It is debatable whether it is in France or Belgium, although Belgium seems the most probable choice. Fram 09:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Legal action
I deleted a reference to the use of Tintin characters in a public domain publication meaning no legal action could be taken to enforce the estate's intellectual property as this is clearly incorrect, (one suspects the reason no action was taken was any action would cost more than it could recover as the defendant would be incapable of paying damages, while the court action would publicise the publicity seeking plagarist).

With regards to Marlinspike, I note Herge described sketching a real (Belgian) building as it's model.


 * Yep, the Cheverny Castle. But it's not in Belgium, it's in France ( http://www.chateau-cheverny.fr/ ). If we consider Tintin and all his friends as Belgian, Moulinsart (Marlinspike) should be located in Belgium though. - waggg 03 August 2006

Art installation
Not sure where to put this, because it's not popular culture, but an editor may want to add something about the 2000 Tintin art installation at the Mattress Factory museum in Pittsburgh that duplicated a scene from a Tintin comic. I saw it in person while an intern at the museum, and it was really fun and impressive, and I'm not even a Tintin fan.--Chris Griswold 02:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

REPORT : TINTIN INTRODUCTION IS SO WRONG...!
In the begining of the text, the "introduction" of the Adventures of Tintin...Read, somebody wrote that Tintin was a sex offender, etc... It has to change...!!!!


 * It was just vandalism that was reverted in this edit. You can read some of the information located at Help:Contents in order to learn how to revert vandalism yourself. gren グレン 02:14, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Light of Truth Award
I got this from the Desmond Tutu article: "In 2006, Tutu was named a Doctor of Public Service at the College of William and Mary in Virginia, where he was also the commencement speaker. He was awarded the Light of Truth award along with Tintin by the Dalai Lama for their contribution towards public understanding of Tibet." Can anyone incorporate it? (Source: )

addition of the bullets
I know a concern at the Featured article review is that the bulleted points were a bad thing, and I see they've been re-introduced. Appreciate any thoughts. Hiding Talk 21:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Bullets are a bad thing. Please remove them. --Maitch 22:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced text
I'm placing the following text here as a marker and for discussion, since it's all sourceable. I'm away to bed now, but I figured it's better to keep the tags off the article so I took this out until it can be sourced, although strictly speaking it was, since the article gives in its references Michael Farr Tintin: The Complete Companion, John Murray (2001) ISBN 0-7195-5522-1, in which all the points below can be sourced. Still, better safe than sorry. Hopefully I can wrap this section up tonight.

The adventure which is largely seen as the first "serious" Tintin adventure is The Blue Lotus, published in 1936. This story, set in China during the then-current Sino-Japanese War, was the first for which he did extensive background research. His research was aided by Zhang Chongren, a Chinese student in Belgium, who would become a character in the Tintin comics under the name of Chang Chong-Chen. The Blue Lotus criticised Japanese and Western colonial meddling in China and helped to dispel popular myths about the Chinese people (although it contains flagrant stereotyping of Japanese people, who are portrayed as sinister and cruel). From then on, meticulous research would be one of Hergé's trademarks.

Some of the early albums were altered by Hergé in subsequent editions, usually at the demand of publishers. For example, at the instigation of his American publishers, many of the black characters in Tintin in America were re-coloured to make their race white or ambiguous. The Shooting Star album originally had an American villain with the Jewish surname of Mr. Blumenstein. This proved to be controversial, as the character looked very stereotypically Jewish. He was changed to an American with a less ethnically specific name, Mr. Bohlwinkel, in later editions and subsequently to a South American of a fictional country. Hergé later discovered that 'Bohlwinkel' was also a Jewish name.

The next book to have any controversy over race was The Red Sea Sharks, in which Africans were depicted as naïve and simple. Herge later re-did some of it to rectify this, though it remained controversial. In some of his other albums, such as Tintin in Tibet, there is not a trace of any racial stereotyping.

That's all the removed work. Hiding Talk 23:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reinserted everything apart from the last paragraph (which I don't think is necessary) cited with alternative sources. Yomangani talk 14:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

DVD release
Currently the article says:
 * "A limited edition of Ellipse-Nelvana's The Adventures of Tintin TV cartoon series was scheduled for release on DVD in the United States by Universal Studios Home Video around 2007, containing 21 full-length episodes in 7 volumes."

Has the plans been dropped since it uses past tense? --Maitch 12:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

"Titles"
"The titles in the Tintin series always feature slapstick humour..." Titles? What's so funny about "Tintin in America?" Wouldn't a better word be 'names?' Galanskov 14:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Titles as in stories, not names. Hiding Talk 16:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry. English isn't my native language, though I speak it reasonably well. Galanskov 12:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I was rather abrupt there. No, I appreciate that, and you're right, it was not crystal clear.  Hiding Talk 15:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

NPOV concerns, etc.
As this article will very soon appear on the main page, all lingering NPOV issues should be resolved. Wikipedia does not praise works of art, even when the praise is uncontroversial and widely-accepted; such statements should be removed, rephrased, and/or attributed to sources. The main statement of concern to me is "Engaging, well-researched plots, straddle a variety of genres". It is fine to say, as you do earlier in the article, that Tintin was "painstakingly researched", but to qualify the research as "good" is both POVed and, at least in the case of many early Tintin books, simply inaccurate; likewise, "engaging" is too complimentary, and even "straddling" is somewhat unencyclopedic in its expressiveness.

"The conclusion of Tintin's adventures was untimely." is also inappropriate. It is both a POV judgment, and an inhumane statement, in that it trivializes a man's life by suggesting that the main tragedy of his dying is that he hadn't finish writing a comic book we'd have liked to read.

This article's editors should also be careful of errors like self-references (e.g., "world closely mirroring our own", rather than "world closely mirroring reality" or the like). After moving down from the lead section to the rest of the article, I was surprised at what a high-quality article this actually is; usually the lead section is the most polished part of the page, but I found most of the errors of formating, NPOV, flow, lack of references, etc. at the beginning. -Silence 12:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've whacked a host of references in to hopefully address the points made. Hiding Talk 20:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "The comic strip series has long been admired for its clean, expressive drawings in Hergé's signature ligne claire style." is OK with references because it's not praising the comics, it's simply stating the fact that others have praised it. "Engaging, well-researched plots straddle a variety of genres" is not OK, because it directly praises the comics. I'm personally fine with "well-researched" because I see it as meaning "backed by a lot of research" rather than "backed by a good quality of research", but "engaging" has to be reworked or removed.--Nonpareility 22:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

"Overview" and "Criticism"
I'm concerned that "Overview" is basically acting like "Good things about Tintin's history" and "Criticism" is "Bad things about Tintin's history". For example, Hergé's portrayal of the Chinese and of Africans are similar topics, but are currently in different sections Could these two sections be combined and possibly split up by other criteria? --Nonpareility 22:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Tintin in the New World?
Should Tintin in the New World, the novel authorized by the author of the original works (although pretty terrible actually) be mentioned in this article? Other non-comic versions and Tintin in Thailand are mentioned. Kit O'Connell (Todfox: user / talk / contribs) 01:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Hammer&Sickle
talk about vandalism.

Archies
The design is similar to that of the Archies. 67.188.172.165 04:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see the similarity (beytond a general cartoon look), and anyway, the Archies are much later... Fram 06:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Belgian vs. European
In the article, the origin of Tintin (the person) has been twice changed from Belgian to European. While the latter is of course not incorrect, I wonder why the more precise former isn't kept. He is created by a Belgian for a Belgian newspaper, lives in Brussels and works for the same Belgian newspaper: what is the chance of him not being Belgian in those days? I would suggest either changing it back to Belgian, or to drop all indication of origin of Tintin (who knowws, he may be Canadian?) Fram 06:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw there was a claim that there is no evidence of him being Belgian, and frowned. I can't be sure if it's because of the different translations I've read, or down to Herge's album remakes, but I have a distinct memory of Tintin standing in front a classroom (in "Belgian" Congo), announcing to the African pupils something like "today we will learn about our motherland, Belgium". I'm vaguely remembering this was changed to a math lesson in the remake, but feel certain there must be other proof. I've thought of him as Belgian since early life which is pretty specific for a non-Belgian kid.  M URGH   disc.  11:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They use Franc as currency, which excludes a large part of Europe, also there are panoramic images of the city, for instance in Le sceptre d'Ottokar and Coke en stock. I think you might spot some Belgian landmarks in there, though I'm not sure... 惑乱 分からん 23:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Tintin in the Congo (originl version) is chock full of references to Belgium: page 113 (last page) says (translated from Dutch): "And to think that in Belgium all little white people are just like Tintin", which would be a strange statement if Tintin was not Belgian! Fram 06:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I think the firemen, policemen etc. might have Belgian uniforms from the time the books were made. Not certain, though... 惑乱 分からん 09:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the setting is definitely Belgian, and he works for a real Belgian newspaper, but the problem is that if someone would really start nitpicking, there is no absolute definitive mention that he is himslf a Belgian (who knows, he may be a Norvegian boy living and working in Belgium...). Farfetched, I know, but since the article was changed from Belgian to European, I thought it would be best if we looked for some references that indicate that he is Belgian. I think it is fair to conclude that everything points to him being a Belgian, and nothing to him being not a Belgian... Fram 09:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no doubt that the milieu in which Tintin lives is Belgium (and not simply Europe). There are dozens of examples to indicate this. You only have to read the books and pay close attention. Mardiste 00:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism to article
Someone has inserted several vulgarities and other ignorant comments into the second paragraph of this article. I do not know how to revert them, however, as the vandalism does not appear visible on the edit page.

Some one has changed the captian's name to hardcock in this article. Who ever did it is funny as. I would fix it but i cant remember his name. Was it haddock or something like that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.166.156 (talk) 09:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

More Vandalism I think, picture of cast has had DX written I big green on it, and I think what's written at the bottom of the top paragraph as-well. Sorry but someone else will have to change it, I've not the time right now. GothmogII

Further vandalism
Please note that footnote 23 directs to a page reading, "I hate black people."

Cleanup
This article requires major cleanup. There are too many false links.216.31.230.83 18:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, there are serious problems with Secondary characters and settings in The Adventures of Tintin, which is linked as an important aspect of this article. -- Jreferee 18:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Then why is this article a Featured Article? Clearly there's been a bit of a messup! Madder 18:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's all a bit messy because it is on the main page and is getting vandalised and no-one has the time to do anything else. As to why this is a featured article, a glance through the links at the top of this page should aid you. Hiding Talk 19:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What does "false links" mean? You mean red links within wikipedia? Those are articles that can be created - not necessarily a bad thing; that's how wikipedia grows. Or do you mean bad external links?  If so, which ones?  - DavidWBrooks 20:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Occupation and accusations of Collaboration
I've added a paragraph about Herge during the occupation of Belgium when he was working for Le Soir. His work was affected in a big way during this period, he found it hard to get work for a while after the war, and lived for the rest of his life with a taint on his character from the accusations of collaboration. I can't see this referred to elsewhere and it seems too big an issue to omit. This needs references, but, as a newbie, I'm not sure how to do this or renumber subsequent references. Perhaps someone could help. Bardic 21:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Question
For a featured article, there are a few things which seem to be missing here (or at least impossible to find after 10 minutes of scanning). For example, when was the first book published? When was the last published? The list of episodes published don't even mention the year they came out. When was the author born? There seems to be an awful lot of very basic information left out. --Joewithajay 23:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A list of the episodes with the publication year can be found at Tintin books, films, and media. The list of episodes at this page has them in chronological order, but I agree with you that the list should identify when the books came out. I'll begin work right away. Galanskov 00:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added publication dates to the list. I hope it solves the problem. Galanskov 00:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is something that annoys me sometimes. Should I have to click across to Hergé to find out when he was born? And then come back here to continue reading this article? It would make more sense to provide relevant information here, so the article here is self-contained. ie. This article should place Tintin and Hergé in their istorical context, so I would argue that Hergé's date of birth (and death) needs to be explicitly placed here as well. Carcharoth 02:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

the different languages
The different languages these books were officially published in should be mentioned.I also believe the titles and storylines for the different languages were somewhat different.We should definately add it.--Nadirali نادرالی

Tintin in Tibet
As of today I can't read the album without thinking to Michel Berger's song "Le paradis blanc" (White Heaven). As I was not a great fan of Michel Berger I didn't realize that the song was about death "Je m'en irai dormir dans le paradis blanc" roughtly "I will sleep in the white paradise"''. Probably a similar personal experience. Ericd 21:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)