Talk:The Adventures of Totor

Article name
Totor, Patrol Leader of the Cockchafers seems less than dubious to me. "Cock"+"Chafers"?? There are no external links on the page. I typed in the page title to Google and didn't seem to get anything nonwiki or wiki-mirrored. Only by typing in "Totor" and "Herge" could I find pages, , and ]; none of these have "Cockchafers" in them. Even the French title seems like it would be translated "Extraordinary adventures of Totor" if anything. What say you? &mdash;ScouterSig 04:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I say we move it. Or get a really strong cream, I knew a guy at camp once... :) Chris 04:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cockchafer is legit. I did find this-http://www.kendall-bioresearch.co.uk/chafer.htm, and in Nebraska we called them junebugs, but apparently May is preferred. Chris 04:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

We should take this discussion to Talk:Totor, Patrol Leader of the Cockchafers --—  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  11:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Has this comic ever been published in English anyway? Otherwise, it should be moved to "Totor, C.P. des Hannetons". It is not our business to provide a translation in the title of the article (a translation in the body, to help the understanding of the reader, is of course acceptable). Fram 08:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Looking at the comic in the article, the title is "Extaordinares Aventures de Totor, C. P. des Hannetons." The article Hergé shows it as "The Adventures of Totor."  The French Wikipedia has the article as Totor.


 * But the 1973 album in the Archives Hergé has it as Totor, C.P. des hannetons, . And the French Wikipedia article starts with "Totor ou Totor, CP (Chef de Patrouille) des Hannetons,[...]". Anyway, I have no problem to place it at Totor, since we don't have an article by that name and it is sufficiently international.Fram 11:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "Totor" seems a good, simple idea, with a redirect from "Totor, CP des Hannetons", and this of course.  M URGH   disc.  16:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Allright, since there apparently were no objections, I moved the page. Fram (talk) 12:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

C.P. des Hannetons
The translation for the word "Hannetons" in the title of the strip seems to be "cockchafers" in this article. I'm curious why we are using such a specific term though. There is no question that a translator looking to the roots of the name might find this term appealing ("hano" is Old Frankish for "rooster"/"cock" after all), but as far as I understand it the term "hanneton" is usually a generic term for beetles of subfamily Melolonthinae (See fr:Hanneton). This includes Cockchafers (the "common hanneton") as well as May Beetles, Summer Chafers, Khomeini Beetles, and several species of June Beetle (as Chris described above).

If Herge intended cockchafers specifically then of course that's the appropriate term, but I think we need sources before making that determination. Unfortunately, a familiar term like "cockchafer" would be nice because this is a comic strip and not an entomological journal—terms like "Melolonthinans" sounds very technical and abstruse. If we preferred a common term then perhaps we should switch to "June Beetle" as there are more Melolonthinae species familiarly called "June Beetle" (including all insects in genus Amphimallon, Phyllophaga and Polyphylla) than there are familiarly called Cockchafer (only members of genus Melolontha). This has been done in a number of other translated media such as James Thiérrée's La Symphonie du hanneton (translated in English as "The Junebug Symphony"), Eduard Holst's The June-bugs Dance (Translated in French as "Danse d'un Hanneton"), etc. The other possibility of course would to just leave it in French.

Any thoughts? -Thibbs (talk) 14:25, 27 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Looking online just now I see that some of the different translations offered include "leader of the Cockchafer Patrol", "leader of the Maybug Patrol", "leader of the Hornets" (?), and "leader of the June-bug Patrol". It also appears that the term "hanneton" is something of a pun as it is a colloquialism for a bird-brain. One version I've seen online is the following:
 * "leader of the Hanneton Troop ('hannetons' is French for cockchafer, a type of beetle, but also the French for 'scatterbrain')".
 * This may be the best way to put it, actually. Would there be any objections to using this explanation? -Thibbs (talk) 15:35, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

OK I've gone ahead and boldly reworked the article slightly (see dif). I know I didn't leave very much time for discussion so if anyone has objections then we can revert and discuss it here. -Thibbs (talk) 16:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

reprints?
where has this been reprinted in recent years? so that an Hergé collector may have a chance to read it? someone above mentions Archives Hergé, when were they printed? anything since? ever in English? any excerpts in any of the biographies? if so, this info should be in the article ..... with all the neverending repackagings of Hergé material, there must be some archival collectors edition of his first comic?

J Edward Malone (talk) 15:43, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

1926!
Any comics from 1926 just hit the public domain in the US this year (French only presumably). Consider this a landmark. I recommend taking out the fair use label from the comic image because I think it's from 1926. PseudoSkull (talk) 06:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)