Talk:The Amazing Race 18

Oceanworld
An earlier version of Footnote 4 related to the Series 18 contestants visiting Oceanworld at Manly Pargy (talk) 07:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Spoiler reminders
Remember, Reality Fan Forum and other forum boards - while they have photographic evidence and all that to track which racers are running and to what locations - are not reliable sources. Any racer or location datum added to the article needs to be sourced to a reliable source like a newspaper or the like. Any sightings given that are not cited to these will be deleted. --M ASEM (t) 15:06, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As much as I agree with your efforts on this, I don't think it'l make much difference as I doubt most people view the discussion pages before editting, I think it's pretty much proven now that some people have the oh look amazing unsourced news on realityfanforum, I'll add to Wikipedia mindset, I would imagine that is why we have a constant barrage of users adding stuff if the page history is anything to go by, also I'll make note to undo edits adding unsourced info too, I've done on the other TAR pages. 82.15.11.104 (talk) 01:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, there is a message in the article that says not to use the cast list from RFF or any site that is using RFF as a resource. If that isn't enough, an edit notice will have to be made.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Somebody just edited the Cord McCoy article to claim that Jet & Cord ("the cowboys") are returning for TAR18. Is there a well-sourced cast list for this season yet, or is this another rumor from a fan site? (The TAR producers have been known to take elaborate measures to throw off overly inquisitive fans.) - Dravecky (talk) 17:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I am 99% sure they are running based on RFF sightings (we know all the teams, and currently up to the 5th leg placings), but there is no reliable source outside of forums that confirms anything about the race save for the Kynt/Vyxsin mention in the Manly paper and the Broken Hill arrivals. Note that there are seemingly reliable sources that are using fan forums to state who is in the race - those are not usable either. So basically any mention that doesn't have an independent source to confirm should be removed. --M ASEM  (t) 17:36, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Based on the preview for the final leg of TAR17, I suspect we'll be able to fill this out more after next week's episode. (Phil says "an exciting announcement") --M ASEM  (t) 05:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * To follow this, just having seen the "special announcement" there is only a few things we can confirm: it's subtitled "Unfinished Business", as it features returning teams, and it's HD. But the number of teams shown are way way too many to be useful to pull out who would be on there (eg I saw Toni/Dallas, Dandrew, Gary & Dave, etc., none who have been seen racing). --M ASEM  (t) 04:59, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion for infobox image
While I know traditionally we use the title card, does anyone see any problems with using one of the official pre-race promo photos (like the one heading the USA Today article on the teams' announcements). This serves to ID the racers in the legs in addition to the show. While NFC doesn't allow for non-free images of living people, it presumes that because the person alone can be photoed; here is a group of 23 people that likely won't meet again in any single place, thus making it allowable. --M ASEM (t) 14:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The image could perhaps be used in the casting section, but the infobox should definitely be the title card, which we can wait a month for.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:42, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Team name changes
I wonder the CBS website use Kent instead of "Kynt", LaKisha and Jennifer instead of "Kisha and Jen" and Ron using instead of his full name "Ronald". Kynt's present name as "Kent Kaliber" appeared on the website, why would it happened and does not accept standards? ApprenticeFan work 00:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "Kent" is his legal name it seems. Things might change once the show starts, because they're using "Herb and Nate" instead of "Flight Time and Big Easy" again on the website.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 00:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yea, I would go by what the USA Today and other articles list for names and occupations, and wait to the premiere to see if the chevrons change. --M ASEM (t) 01:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have reformated the article to remove the huge results table (only really necessary once the race is going) with a more easy to understand list of teams.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Casting Section
I really think this information should be in a table. If it's too large, then we can make adjustments to fix that, but a table makes it much easier to scan through the list of teams, in my opinion. Frankly, the "Results" table has been put up on the day of the cast announcement for pretty much every prior season, so I'm not clear on why it's a problem now.

But if it's going to be done with prose, the original version was too wordy and hard to understand, in my opinion. I cleaned it up to make it easier to scan through and remove the redundant sentence structure. Jedzz (talk) 19:18, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just because it can be in a table does not mean it needs to be in a table. Also, you should use the names that appear in reliable sources. This season Kynt is being credited as "Kent Kaliber", not "Kent Cothron". In addition, Vyxsin is going by that name and not "Jennifer".— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have found why Kent changed from "Kynt" and |newswell|text|Entertainment|p here is the source, the name change when his father had died recently. ApprenticeFan  work 12:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Would you pay attention to the timestamps? This was from a month ago and is no longer being discussed.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:58, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I mostly agree with this decision because it's a returning racers race and pretty much having the info there in an easy to view format is an absolutely great idea. But I honestly think that for any other season to come it should be how it was before. Normal results table the moment CBS announces. 82.15.11.55 (talk) 02:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The fact of the matter is that the results table does not serve any useful purpose prior to the beginning of the season. Just because things were done for previous season doesn't mean they have to be done for all of them. There is no need to have a full table set up for this data.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 03:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Sourcing leg details
I know that we normally need not source descriptions of the primary source and historically have not done so in the past, but given that there are at least two or three RS recaps of each leg, I would really like us to include one or more per leg just to boost the quality of this article - I would like to see if we can take one of these seasons to a Featured status, and that sourcing will help.

Now, as for the RS's, you have CBS's own website, which is generally good but in danger of disappearing in the future (certainly when TAR19 comes around and they move links around). EW has regularly recapped these and I see nothing wrong with this one by a staff writer. I know TWOP usually gives detailed coverage but often biased and skips a few things at times. And hopefully the AV Club will continue recaps (they're offering the option to its readers). We don't have to source every single task, just one reference cements the events. --M ASEM (t) 14:14, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The best source we should use are the recaps on CBS.com, rather than a review I would think.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Race maps
While online last night, I asked a friend of mine if he/she (sorry voronika) would not mind making a race route map, and that's where this came from. Using RFF (even though I probably should not have), I asked if he/she could also make the same stylistic race route arc for the upcoming legs, and I have a handful of files on my computer that have similar red arcs to and from each successive destination city. So I will try to update the map each week to keep the aesthetic consistent.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 20:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Not bad at all. I wonder if you can update previous races maps, too... SimoneMLK (talk) 00:29, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't do it and I don't want to bother voronika with redoing old maps necessarily. I'll ask though.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 00:55, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't really like them that much. You can't really see the race spots that well as we used too and now we have a general area on a map. Please Change. --Danooky (talk) 19:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

List of Teams in Casting Section
Now that the show is underway, I'm wondering if we really need to have a full list of the teams in the casting section, when much of that same information can be contained in the Results section. I know user:Ryulong has been very anti-"Big Table," and has changed the format of the All-Stars article to match the format here, but the resulting effect has been to make the overall article more bloated, more redundant, and harder to follow than it should be.Jedzz (talk) 19:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that list is ok. It keeps the main table clean but answers the questions of seasons and placement that are begged of with returning contestants. --M ASEM  (t) 19:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The information on previous season and previous placement does not have any actual place in the Results table. It was included in the Results table for the All-Stars season because no one thought of having a unique place for it. And it has been designed to make the information not redundant. The list in the casting section includes full names, links to the contestants' articles if they have them, their previous season, their previous season's placement, and a more detailed description of their relationship. The Results table therefore only focuses on the current season, rather than bloating it with content not directly relevant to the results.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Travel method template
Seeing as it's a pain in the ass to remember the names of the different map icon symbols for airplane and train, would a template like Template:TAR clue be useful?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Leg 1 is not a two-episode leg
Considering that at the mat, Phil awarded Gary & Mallory the Express Pass for coming in first on the first leg, it can be said that this is not a single leg stretched across two episodes but two separate legs with no mandatory rest period between them. So can we please stop changing it to a single leg?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it would be best to just wait until this next episode to see if CBS specifically classifies the situation. This is certainly a tough call, that is for sure. On one hand your explanation of it being a single leg very well works. On the other hand though, it could also be a two-episode leg considering the fact that Jet & Cord never even made it to the mat, and the episode said "to be continued" at the end. (CBS's website also says that for the episode recap.) Again though, I think we will get the necessary clues tonight. Greekboy (talk) 22:46, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Previous "To be continued..." two-episode legs never had the race results that the CBS recap includes. On previous season pages we had to watch old episodes because it was never featured on any of the recap materials.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 23:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * And even if this is wrong, it doesn't take much to fix it. It just takes more to change everything back to the two legs, two episodes format.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 23:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well the episode is airing now, and it seems obvious it is a two-episode leg with a mid-point stop. Mel & Mike specifically said it is not a pit stop, but also when Jet & Cord arrived to the mat, Phil told them to keep racing. He did not say "non-elimination" leg. Couple that with the fact that Amanda & Kris never completed their mandatory u-turn in the first episode, it seems it is in fact a two-episode leg (and continuation). Greekboy (talk) 01:17, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Totally agreed with you Greekboy I think we should put it as one leg. Intoronto1125 (talk) 02:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Simple enough to fix.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:31, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

In the extra video clips, Phil is calling ep 1 and ep 2 "two legs". So it's two legs, but no rest between them. Thoughts?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 21:13, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it should be one leg, because the last team to arrive was not penalized or eliminated. Intoronto1125 (talk) 21:32, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I've heard Phil say "two legs" multiple times while he's talking to teams checking in at Junction Mine. Sydney is a leg without a conventional Pit Stop.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 21:35, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I am guessing this is a new race twist so it saves money. Intoronto1125 (talk) 22:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Broken Hill photo
Intoronto1125 and I have come into a minor disagreement as to what photo should be used to represent the events of episode 2. I first used a photo of a kangaroo, but then he changed it to this photograph of Broken Hill. I then found this photo of a street like the ones they were searching for in the kangaroo task on the Commons, but Intoronto1125 believes that using the photo of the Silver Street sign is misleading, despite the fact that the names of the streets that they were actually looking for are featured in the prose of the section. I believe using a unique photo from the region that is related to what the racers did is better than a generic photo of the locale visited, as is generally done for these times where they don't visit places with iconic imagery. What are everyone else's thoughts?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:45, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * My opinion is listed above. Intoronto1125 (talk) 02:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * After reading the caption I have changed my mind. Intoronto1125 (talk) 02:58, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Broken Hill Pit Stop greeter
I know we should mention Wincen Cuy, the mayor of Broken Hill, New South Wales, as the greeter of the official Pit Stop. If that case, we should need to add a fact? ApprenticeFan work 04:42, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No. It's not really necessary.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 04:44, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Legs
The first leg is not a non-elimination leg, it is a double length leg therefore Jet/Cord were not "saved from elimination". The same goes to the fourth leg which is still ongoing. Episodes 1 and 2 is the same leg while it is probable that episodes 4 and 5 are the same leg, too. The table should be modified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.120.223.120 (talk) 19:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Some people suggested that what were shown in the first two episodes were referred to as two legs by Phil, so leg 1 was not a double-length leg and it ended with an unconventional way as leg 2 started immediately. Could some people remind us how did Phil describe them in the previous seasons that involve double-length legs (Season 6-10 and 14), did he say something like the first/second (former/latter) half of the leg when he need to mention them?  Karlo918  20:55, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Phil was referring to multiple pit stops when doing interviews on the CBS.com website when everyone was finishing up Broken Hill. Instead of doing non-elimination legs this season they're doing legs with no mandatory rest period between them. There are no double-length legs this season. If they were double length legs this season, Gary & Mallory and Margie & Luke would not have gotten prizes for arriving at what you believe is a mid point.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 00:33, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * According to the data here in leg 10 of season 14, there were midpoint (Jet Skis) and pit stop prizes (trip to Galápagos Islands) respectively.  Karlo918  02:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you watch the interviews with the racers on CBS.com while at Broken Hill, Phil says "So two legs in..." (not sure who he was talking to, probably Zev & Justin). These are not double-length legs. They are simply a new mechanic to make the race harder by forcing teams to keep racing after an already exhausting day of activity. There are no midpoints and these are not non-elimination legs. They're a brand new thing.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:24, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I know Phil has said so and this is the main and the only reason to support your view that this season shoule be treated differently, so I am asking how Phil say in the past? I am confused why it is so unconventional for this season? How is this season different from other "To be continued" legs and a mid-point prize (leg 10, season 14) in the past? By the way, is the term "double-length leg" an official term that CBS has used or is it is a term users here have created in order to group information, at the first place? Just like the term "No-break legs" that you have created in the article The Amazing Race to subtitle information.  Karlo918  02:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * "Double-length leg" and "No-break leg" are simply non-official terms that are as descriptive about it as possible. And any other "To be continued" legs with prizes at what are being identified as the mid point prior to this season are perhaps examples of what we believe is a no-break leg which is a new mechanic as far as we are aware for this season.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Well first off, Phil said "your still racing". SO this means sir that you are wrong and Australia and China is 1 leg! Meaning we are on Leg 3. I could care less about the "They would not have been giving prizes". Yeah its a new thing for awarding teams that race really well. To further help my case, the clue said "Make your way to the top of Lion Hill" not "Make your way to the next pit stop, Lion Hill" Then Phil Said, "You are the first team to arrive" not "you are team number 1" which happens on a 1 part LEG. To finish it up the screen also said "To be Continued" So thanks!--Danooky (talk) 21:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * They are being referred to as separate legs by the production team. And teams are told that they are heading for the next pit stop in the clue (Phil is the only one who doesn't say its a pit stop in the voice overs). It's a new game mechanic to make things more difficult. Two separate legs, with only a "To Be Continued" between them because they didn't feel like having Jet & Cord, Zev & Justin, and Kent & Vyxsin check in before the end of the episode. Can we just agree that it's a new thing and we have NOTHING to say that they're double length legs like they normally do?— Ryūlóng  ( 竜龙 ) 00:03, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Personally I think these are seperate legs if only for the reasons mentioned by Ryulong, they are editted in a way to make them longer legs to make the race more exhausting to teams and give teams that have fallen behind a chance to catch up, essentially a game changing mechanic there.Not to mention Phil giving the express pass to the 1st place team meaning it was leg complete. As it stands now, Phil has never given an express pass at a mid point in a double leg. 82.15.8.146 (talk) 21:53, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * A stronger point (my opinion) than that the express pass hasn't been given at a midpoint in a previous season (that doesn't mean they couldn't do it now) is that the teams were told that the team who wins the first leg will get the express pass. That tells me pretty conclusively that the check-in point where the express pass was awarded was the end of the first leg, regardless whether it was accompanied by a rest period/pit stop.  And, how does whether Phil says "first team to arrive" or "team number 1" define whether that spot is the end of a leg? LarryJeff (talk) 17:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The notion that we are only in Leg 3 doesn't make sense to me. If this was so, why is there not 9 more destinations in "future legs"? On a side note however, this is the first time in American Amazing Race history where 8 teams have gone into Leg 6. All other races had either 7 or 6 going into it. There has to be 5 teams eliminated in only 6 legs, unless there is some other twist the production crew plans. S51438 (talk) 01:52, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Jaime & Cara- 1st u-turn user and receiver
Although Jaime & Cara was out @ leg 5, she used the uturn and also receive the pass together. dont you think we could use that?? (Singaporeandy (talk) 10:39, 21 March 2011 (UTC))


 * "Firsts" like this are trivial information and not included unless it receives significant notice by outside sources (eg Nat & Kat winning last race as the first all female racers did get that type of coverage so it is appropriate there). --M ASEM (t) 13:43, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Express Pass & Roadblock count
The page currently lists Gary as having done only 1 Roadblock so far (the one in Japan). However, even though they used the Express Pass in Kunming, Gary & Mallory still declared that Gary would do the Roadblock (Gary's 2nd Roadblock out of 6). In addition, the recap on the CBS website lists Gary as having done the Roadblock for the leg (albeit not actually having to do anything due to the Express Pass). Shouldn't Gary's Roadblock count be changed to reflect this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.88.77 (talk) 14:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've verified this and will add it to the article momentarily. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:39, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Whether or not CBS website states that Gary attempted the Roadblock, he did mention explicitly to the camera (as what teams are supposed to do before they open the Roadblock clue) that "I'll do it". In many cases before, the Roadblock count includes instances whereby individuals started, but did not complete/quit the Roadblock. Even some unaired Roadblocks are included in the tally with a footnote to substantiate it, so I do agree that Gary's count has to be included for the simple fact that he elected to do it, but did not as his team decided to bypass it when they eventually saw the task in front of their eyes. ZephyrWind (talk) 13:35, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There is probably some rule where they have to start the task before bypassing it.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:28, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Flights passing each other
This has been bothering me for a while. I don't see why it's necessary to mention the fact that the first departing flight arrived second and vice-versa, as currently shown as footnotes in Legs 1 and 3. To me, this is excessive trivia and should not be included for the same reasons why we don't include information like how many teams did each Detour, or how many teams took direct flights vs. connecting flights. I'm not sure who initially added this info but I know this page is on several WLs, so I thought I'd look for some consensus before removing it. I also wish to remove a similar footnote on The Amazing Race 7, Leg 1. Thoughts? &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:08, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, its not trivial there. ApprenticeFan  work 06:30, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The events that affected the flights affected the overall outcome of the race. It's not trivial.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 17:41, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * A lot of external factors beyond the teams' control impact the outcome of the race. Flights get delayed, people miss flights, cars break down, taxis get lost; we don't report on every single one. I'd be willing to allow the Leg 1 statement because those flights were explicitly mandated by the producers and billed as a "first flight" and "second flight". Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall, the Leg 3 situation involved the ordinary jockeying for position and choosing between two flights that teams are shown doing all the time; the delay is just a run-of-the-mill unfortunate scenario that the teams encountered. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:14, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if anything the first flight out is important because it was required as a part of the race. The Cathay Pacific thing isn't as important.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We seem to be in agreement and I see you already removed the Leg 3 note, so I'll leave the other issue alone. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:29, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Does "Chinese Minority Heritage Center" equal "Yunnan Ethnology Museum"?
And were the 15 persons in costume representing numbers 2 to 16 of China's national minorities, or were the 15 all Tibetan?

This section of Leg 5 needs clarification, please. – Jwkozak91 (talk) 02:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * We can only go by what the show said. They called something the "Chinese Minority Heritage Center" and the show calls it a Tibetan performance. That's all we can go off of.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:42, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. On second thought - and as I recall the episode, Christina Hsu was debating (arguing?) with a taxi driver about which "Yunnan National Minorities Center" a group of teams were supposed to go to - whether it was in Kunming or outside the city. I think the Ethnology Museum is probably outside Kunming. Cheers :-) – Jwkozak91 (talk) 19:00, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Whatever it was that they went to, if you can figure out the more common name show us.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:18, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Leg 6 Results
CBS released a promo today, and it showed Gary & Mallory winning first place(Yes Phil says they are team number 1) and someone reverted it. If you took time to look at the video (Video Here) you would see it. --Danooky (talk) 23:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The episode has not aired yet, so there is no way of knowing if this is the actual result.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 23:21, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you took the time to see it, you would see I'm right. Its straight from CBS' website. --Danooky (talk) 23:24, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Even if you are right, we do not need to report on it until tomorrow.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 23:26, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

There could be a catch with this, like maybe they arrive first but do something wrong and occur a penalty, or something unexplainable, I don't think CBS has ever shown a spoiler like this before where they reveal who came first in a leg before it aired right? 82.15.8.146 (talk) 00:09, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it is clear that hey uplodaed the videos a bit too early.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Pitstop Leg 6
Was the pitstop the same from Season 5? Intoronto1125 (talk) 01:16, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Does it matter?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it does, considering we point out in the Amazing Race 9 the same final pit stop/ start line fact. That was the first time it happened. In this case this is the first time the same pitstop was used twice. Intoronto1125 (talk) 20:18, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not the same Pit Stop location. In TAR9 they went to the memorial. In TAR18 they went to a fountain near the memorial. And even if it was the same, it is trivia to say that they went to the same place.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 20:45, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry Meant Amazing Race 5, its not triva read my above statement. Think about it. Listing that on the Amazing Race 9 article would be also trivia then, but its listed. Intoronto1125 (talk) 21:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It does not matter. They didn't go to the same place.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 22:25, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Title
My cable box says that the official name of the season is "Amazing Race: Unfinished Business" instead of "Amazing Race 18." I think that that may be the official name of the season and should be used for the title of this page.Twinsfan133 (talk) 01:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Your cable box is not a reliable source. However, a more convincing case for a move could be made from the fact that CBS promotes this season as "Unfinished Business" in its promotional materials. I believe any move discussion should include proposals to move Season 11 to "All-Stars" and Season 8 to "Family Edition" for consistency. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 03:33, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * For mere consistency issues, this and the other special seasons are numbered. It isn't like Survivor where there's a subtitle every season. That is why each season is numbered and the subtitle is included in the lead paragraph.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 17:54, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Liechtenstein is a single leg?
Since Liechtenstein is a very small country, there should be only a sole task there. One information came from RFF that the said country has only a major proportion of doing the tasks there. Also, another country has been reported in the same leg (Leg 9): Zermatt, Switzerland. TV Guide is proved wrong on locations. ApprenticeFan work 03:11, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You and they may be true but pls consider Hong Kong which is a city and a lot smaller, or even Macau SAR which is even smaller. They were It is a single-leg destinations respectively.  Karlo918  17:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 * We treat any regions with unique autonomies as separate locations anyway. Hong Kong, Macau, Guam, Puerto Rico, Zanzibar, etc. are treated as unique from the PRC, USA, and Tanzania. France's Corsica and Italy's Sicily & Sardinia would also be treated this way if consensus agreed on it.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 00:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * TV Guide is only mentioning Liechtenstein in the next episode entry. For all we know the Pit Stop could be in Switzerland, but this is not what the reliable sources are telling us currently.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:03, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

It wouldn't be a first to have more than one country in one leg, older seasons have done this, and they have done this on TARA before. Obvious answer would just be to wait and see and edit as and when it comes on the live broadcast 82.15.8.146 (talk) 00:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I checked on CBS website and episode 9 will heading to Switzerland, Due to area capacity in Liechtenstein. Just like earlier seasons as the third season and TAR Asia 2. ApprenticeFan  work 13:14, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * So long as we have reliable sources to back this information up.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:00, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

City count
I'm not sure if we have the right city count. Am I leaving any out?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 21:12, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Palm Springs
 * 2) Los Angeles
 * 3) Sydney
 * Not sure if Manly counts as it is only a suburb of Sydney
 * 1) Broken Hill
 * 2) Tokyo
 * 3) Kamakura
 * 4) Minamiashigara
 * 5) Yokosuka
 * 6) Lijiang
 * 7) Kunming
 * 8) Kolkata
 * 9) Varanasi
 * 10) Vienna
 * 11) Salzburg

Leg 9 (Liechtenstein/Switzerland) and a double U-Turn
I have assumed that there will be a double U-Turn in Liechtenstein/Switzerland leg. I checked it a source from CBS Express:. Any thoughts?

And the quote:

"The stress of the Race begins to take its toll when a Double U-Turn is revealed, and one Team struggles to consume a local delicacy while others become acquainted with Swiss hospitality."

I think this leg will likely take place in Zermatt just after Liechtenstein. ApprenticeFan work 03:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all, there is no source that states that they're headed to Zermatt in Leg 9. And second, all we know is that they're gonna have a Speed Bump for Gary & Mallory. Let's just hold off on anything major until the show airs.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 17:54, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I really have a new source from TV Guide that there will be a U-Turn and its true. The original quote takes place in Liechtenstein. Well it's 100 percent there is a U-Turn for this leg.


 * "The race continues in Switzerland and the teams face a Double U-Turn."


 * ApprenticeFan work 01:55, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It can wait 48 hours.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Sargans is now included in this leg. It is now confirmed. ApprenticeFan  work 00:47, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if it is confirmed. We didn't necessarily need to say anything about before tonight.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:49, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

By the way, there was only one Double U-Turn in Season 17, but now there's two in Season 18. Was there one that somehow got unaired in 17? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.48.24 (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 112.205.112.103, 22 April 2011
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Posting Results on other pages
Can we not post the results of this race on the pages of the team's original season? Their placings here don't have anything to do with the previous races and some people are inadvertently having this season spoilt for them by checking the other wiki pages. Same goes for all-stars and the seasons preceeding that. 93.96.23.89 (talk) 12:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SPOILER, "spoilers...should not be deleted solely because they are spoilers." I have reinstated some of the text you removed from The Amazing Race 16 (thank you, by the way, for removing another user's uncited opinion from that article); I have no prejudice against my edit being reverted for a valid reason other than "it's a spoiler". &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:07, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not necessary to add the results on other pages, really.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry just brought this up below as I didn't see this. Agree with Ryulong as the results of this race have no bearing on the previous season's race and should not be included on those pages. "When including spoilers, editors should make sure that an encyclopedic purpose is being served." It is not serving an encyclopedic purpose for that page but is for this page. ARArules (talk) 00:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Ski Resort on the way to Zermatt
Are we going to include the unnamed ski resort the teams went too? Intoronto1125 Talk  Contributions  00:31, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:18, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Why not? the clue instructed them to go there, unlike other legs which say go to the train station directly. Intoronto1125 Talk  Contributions   02:17, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * They were airlifted to the resort, and then went to the train from the resort.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Finish line photo
There is a such disagreement with this photo. Singaporeandy changed to upload the photo which is not really liked it to the article. And so, Ryulong added this photo on Leg 12 section which the picture comes from Wiki Commons. Well, this photo is not really generic and not really necessary. So, that's Ryulong's decision to put the picture.

The tricycle is not similar to the actual tricycle used it to the teams. ApprenticeFan work 09:03, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The tricycle is not the same as the ones the teams used so we should not use it just because it is a tricycle. The photograph of the location is good enough.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 18:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Second all-female team winning...
I'm not sure that Kisha & Jen being the second all-female team to win the race deserves any special recognition. I mean, if we're going that route, why not credit Chris & Alex as being the second all-male team to win, Kim McAllister as being the second female to win, etc? It's extraneous information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.102.105.41 (talk) 23:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's extraneous. Kisha being the first open lesbian to win is ok (since TAR has been noted for positive portrayals for those groups), but not the second all-female team. --M ASEM  (t) 00:00, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Because the show made a point at Nat & Kat's win last season.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 00:33, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Doesn't make the information any less extraneous. If, for example, the show revealed that Jen's favorite color is green, would that be noteworthy information to post in the wiki?

Results on other pages
Why are the results of this race being placed on the pages of previous seasons? Somebody brought this up before because they thought it was spoilers however I'm bringing it up as this series results have no influence on previous seasons. There is no reason to add the reults to those pages as it adds nothing to the information about that particular season. I request removing it but I won't do until someone explains as to why it's necessary to be placed there. We did not do this for the first all-stars season for the above reason. ARArules (talk) 00:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * They shouldn't be, because it's not important for those seasons. I'll remove them.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 00:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

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