Talk:The Cadets Drum and Bugle Corps

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I added Les Misérables to the show concepts area. Faramirtook 02:02, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Huzzah. &Euml;vilphoenix Burn! 02:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

While I understand some with the Cadets can't seem to resist, this article is not written with an objective voice, and much of what is written here is not sourced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.182.241.243 (talk) 22:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I guess I'm a little old fashioned, My father marched with the Holy Name Cadets, and I've followed them for years, but it pains me that they have left new jersey. I still remember the Drum Corps scene of the early 60's in north jersey. kmura —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmura (talk • contribs) 20:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Uniforms

The uniforms made a major change in 1958. The Holy Name Parish broke with the drum corps and would no longer sponsor the corps hence the switch to a new uniform that was a whitened version of Scout House. There were shorts, white T shirt-like tops, and Aussie hats. These uniforms served well until mid to late 1959 when the corps switched back to the Cadet uniform in time to march at Stillwater, MN's Drum Beauty. This can be confirmed by listening to recordings of 1959 Drum Beauty where the announcer mentions that the corps was marching in their new Cadet uniform.

This alters the statement that the corps wore essentially the same uniform from 1934 until the present except in 2005. There is no source to quote as it is information from a gentleman who marched in the corps in 1958 and can be confirmed by listening to the announcer's statements on the recording of that particular contest. It has long been known that the corps briefly wore a white uniform similar to Scout House. I have added this to the main article.

Name change

I think there should be a clarification as to the when and why of the change of the name of the corps from Holy Name to Garfield. It is an important moment for this drum corps and reflected a change that would continue on in drum corps during the 60's where Catholic parishes would drop their sponsorship of drum corps. Oldsopplaya (talk) 17:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Drum corps as an art form

There would be a heated argument as to whether the changes the Cadets are trying to bring about furthers drum corps as an art form. This is a POV statement. Clearly many people believe that the Cadets and modern drum corps while "advancing corps as an art form" have destroyed the original link to the military past and should not be called drum and bugle corps. Their use of band instruments (trumpets, tubas, etc.) by many has no place in a drum corps. This "advance" has substantially changed drum corps from a drum and bugle corps to a marching brass band. Some consider the push for woodwinds and electronics as heresy. Clearly what is seen as good by one faction is seen as bad by another faction and this should be made clear.

I do not have enough interest in DCI to make the argument but I have enough interest in the original drum corps to see the modern changes more to be a bastardization of the entity rather than an "advance in the art form." Oldsopplaya (talk) 18:10, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

And then...

Time has passed as I read the argument about Modern vs Classic drum corps and the "contributions" of one trouble maker. I do not want this article to become a battle ground so want to pull back on some comments I made. However, as a complete history of the second longest existing drum corps in history, POV shouldn't creep in. As a fan of the Cadets, I note a change in focus over the years. I think that needs to be made clear. The goals of the Cadets may have nothing to do with the goals of Holy Name, Garfield, Cadets of Bergen County, etc.

In fact, there could be separate sections discussing each corps as it existed under its one of many name changes and it would stifle the battle and contribute a lot to what interests me about this corps.

The Cadets are a great microcosm of what has happened to this activity and this article can be written in such a way to show the evolution (and keep the hair from rising on the back of my neck!) :)  How to write this is difficult.  The original Cadets are aging, as am I, and may not be very Internet literate hence their contributions will be under represented.  This needs to be made clear.

I am not a Cadet nor am I even an Easterner so am not qualified to flesh out the history of the Cadets. I DO know that the history of this corps has far more to do than simply with what has happened since 1972. I will add at least the name changes so it doesn't appear that the first 40 years of this corps were inconsequential. Oldsopplaya (talk) 18:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Holy Name once more
The Cadets are now referring to themselves as The Holy Name Cadets once again. This page should reflect that. 69.69.218.97 (talk) 06:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Are they? The YEA page just calls them "The Cadets"; the 75th anniversary logo used at www.theholynamecadets.org has "Holy Name", "Garfield", and "Bergen County" in the logo. —C.Fred (talk) 14:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The move to Holy Name was only for their 75th anniversary season...a one-time shot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.32.147.34 (talk) 00:38, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposed move?
The YEA page is now referring to them as "Holy Name" again. This page may be due for a move. Should it be moved to Holy Name Cadets Drum and Bugle Corps? —C.Fred (talk) 16:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if they're permanently changed to Holy Name Cadets or if it's a one-year deal for their 75th anniversary. -Phi*n!x 17:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)