Talk:The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

Episodes formatting
Was trying to clean up the summary for episode 6, and somehow managed to break formatting for the entire section. Any help?

Walker appears on Good Morning America and reveals his desire to live up to Rogers' mantle. Barnes tells Wilson that he should have kept the shield before accompanying him to Munich, where the Flag Smashers and their leader Karli Morgenthau are stealing a shipment of medicine. Wilson and Barnes attack the group, but the terrorists are all super soldiers and overpower the pair. Walker and Lemar Hoskins arrive to help, but the Flag Smashers escape. Walker wants to work with Barnes and Wilson, but they refuse. Traveling to Baltimore, Barnes introduces Wilson to Isaiah Bradley, a veteran super soldier who fought the Winter Soldier in the Korean War. However, Bradley refuses to help them uncover information about additional super soldiers due to being imprisoned and experimented on by the U.S. government and Hydra for 30 years. Barnes is arrested for missing a therapy appointment, but Walker has him released. Barnes and Wilson again refuse to work with Walker, and Barnes suggests to Wilson that they visit the imprisoned Helmut Zemo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigFISH496 (talk • contribs) 0:00, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

GA process
What needs to be done before nominating this article and maybe even the episode articles for GAs eventually? I assume start with going through each article carefully to clean them up. Is that basically it or is there more info that needs to be added as well? -- Zoo (talk) 23:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think there is plenty more production info that can be added here and at the episode articles, as well as general cleaning-up, before they will be ready to go. I have been hoping to do this for a while similar to the expanding I did for the WandaVision articles but I just haven't had the time to do that in the last while. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I can definitely help with the cleanup part once you or others are ready to start the process. But I'm bad about finding useful production info to add. -- Zoo (talk) 01:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @ZooBlazer @Adamstom.97 I can find useful production info. What kind of production info are we needing here? If you haven't already Zoo, I have already sent a couple of links to adam's talk page, so you can see if you find anything useful over there. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 17:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I haven't done anything yet. I was just waiting until others were ready to start the process before I did anything. -- Zoo (talk) 18:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ahh. Ok, with this being said, do you know what kind of production info do we need to add? I think I can find the sources that could help with the expansion of the article and post them right here. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 18:10, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I am working through quite a few sources at the moment, looking at design, filming, effects, etc. If you did post any sources here I would check to see if I already looked at them or not. We will also need to do some reception work before we submit these articles, making sure that we have full coverage of available reviews and that we are presenting information in an organised way with minimal quotes rather than just listing the good reviews and the bad reviews as we have tended to do in the past. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:20, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Adamstom.97 Alright, that sounds good. I can add on to Design and VFX, but as of now, we have enough material for Development, Writing, Casting, and Music as of now, right? I can also CE the Reception section. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 21:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Just as an FYI to those interested here, I am going to have even less time than usual to work on Wiki stuff over the next three weeks or so and it is unlikely that I will make much progress on these articles until after then. I know some of you are pretty keen to get this going but hopefully you don't mind holding off on any GA nom until I am free to help finish these off at that point. Nothing to stop you all from expanding and c/e everything during that time of course. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:28, 28 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I have no problem waiting a little longer. If I have a chance I'll start doing some c/e for this article and the episodes over the next couple weeks. -- Zoo (talk) 06:54, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Adamstom.97 Yea, same here, I also have no problem holding off on it. There's no need to rush on this (WP:NORUSH) anyway in the first place, and yea, I think I'll also try and do some CE whenever I can, as I think I'll probably be more busy editing and checking up on Obi-Wan Kenobi, so yea, we'll absolutely table the GA until you're ready. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 17:11, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I want to throw my hat into mix too for helping, but I too also am uncertain of my time I can dedicate towards this at the moment. Will help where and when I can! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Favre1fan93 Sounds good. If you'd like to add information, I posted some links on Adamstom's talk page which might provide helpful information.
 * https://www.indiewire.com/2021/05/the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-marvel-disney-1234635597/
 * https://www.awardsdaily.com/2021/06/04/production-designer-ray-chan-explores-familiar-characters-on-all-new-territory/
 * https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2566917/the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-behind-the-scenes-facts-about-the-marvel-tv-show
 * https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/falcon-winter-soldier-zemo-endgame-1234964228/ Dcdiehardfan (talk) 18:09, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If others are ready to begin the process, I'm available to help as of now. -- Zoo (talk) 17:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna finally start the process of prepping the article in my sandbox if any of you want to work on it with me if/when you have time. Obviously anyone else is welcome to help as well. -- Zoo (talk) 23:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds great. I'll put it on my watchlist. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 23:40, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This is the next thing on my ToDo list once I finish a couple Star Trek things I am working on so should be able to help out very soon. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:49, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * She-Hulk has been my most anticipated series for a bit, so I'm going to be focusing a lot on building out those articles as they release, but happy to help with these articles as I can! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * My situation will be similar with Secret Invasion, so hopefully we'll be able to make some good progress on the earlier MCU series before then -- Zoo (talk) 17:15, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright all, that sounds perfect. I will also prepare to work on Andor in the following month or so. Good luck to you all, and I hope to see you here soon! Dcdiehardfan (talk) 22:00, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi all, just wanted to update everyone that I don't expect to have the time to work on these articles in the near future so you shouldn't be held up by me anymore if you are keen to work on these for GA. If you are interested, the main things I was thinking still needed to be added were mostly cinematography, stunts, and visual effects, plus some design stuff. There are lots of good sources out there that some smart Googling should be able to find, and the Assembled episode for the show also has some good stuff. Good luck! - adamstom97 (talk) 02:27, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I've collected a bunch of potential references for the categories Adam mentioned over on my sandbox and put them under ref ideas on the sandbox talk page. I plan on going through them over the coming days to see what is useful for the article. Some may fit better for various episodes, but I figured it's still helpful to have them as well. If anyone is interested in contributing, please do so. -- Zoo (talk) 20:15, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't taken a look at the latest episode article changes yet but I just wanted to acknowledge that it looks like some good progress has been made based on the edit summaries popping up in my watchlist. I have a few things I am planning to add myself and can check things and do a potential c/e when you all are done with your current work. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Adamstom.97 @ZooBlazer Extremely good news on this front actually. I've just came out of my latest FATWS edits, and I've basically gone through back and forth and combed through everything and can definitely declare that I think I've covered all the bases and added every single piece of info I could. The content has been added across all episodes and all we need is a CE right now, and I'm completely ready to proceed to that point. Also, Adam, would it be alright if Zoo and I initiate the GANs for this project? Dcdiehardfan (talk) 02:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I will have a look soon and let you know when I am happy. No issue with you two nominating the articles, it's not too important who does the actual nominating. As far as what order we nominate in, I would recommend that we just start with nominating the first episode. Once it passes we can then make any relevant updates to the other episode articles before nominating them. That is how we handled the WandaVision articles and I think it makes sense. This article can be nominated whenever we think it is ready. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:10, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * @Adamstom.97 Sounds good. Our original plan was to break it up into chunks of 2, that is doing 2 eps at a time, but that definitely sounds like a smarter process. I think we can debate the merits of doing a 3-4 and 5-6 combo, but yea, to begin, I definitely would love to nominate Ep 1 as a standalone. I'm also sure Zoo would concur, so with that being said, I think, hopefully, the wheels are turning haha. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 03:12, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Should we just go ahead and nominate the first 2-3 episodes and let the GA process clean up the articles (hopefully)? Seems like there will be a March GA backlog drive, so getting some episodes nominated soon could be a good thing. -- Zoo  Blazer  02:19, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yea, I was also wondering what the status was regarding this. It's been quite a while and we haven't heard any updates. I'm ready for the GAN when you folks are, so just let me know when we can proceed with it. I'd definitely advocate getting at least 2 prior to the March GA backlog drive, and during the drive, seeing if we can get more. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 02:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the plan was for you to nominate the first 2 episodes, along with episode 4, so if there are no objections, I think the first 2 to start would be good. -- Zoo  Blazer  02:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I am planning to do a c/e before the March backlog drive begins, will message here when that is done or if I don't think I will get to it in time. And I still think we should just start with nominating the first episode, then we can apply any changes to the rest of the episode articles before nominating them. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Adamstom.97 Sounds good. I'd say you should check back here if you can by at least Feb 26 to give us a decent update on how best to progress and what we should do in case you are busy IRL or aren't going to be on Wiki. And I definitely second the last part, although I think each episode article will also be unique in that stuff from prior GANs won't necessarily be cross-applicable per se. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 03:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I have done my forever-promised c/e of the first episode and am pretty happy with how that article is looking. You should be able to go ahead and nominate that one for GA before the backlog drive starts. I plan to do the same type of c/e and update on the other episode articles before we nominate those, I am quite busy over the next few weeks IRL but I should be able to keep up the pace if the first one gets picked up for review so there is not long between nominations. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Adamstom.97 Glad to hear it. I've already went ahead and nominated Ep 1 for GAN. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 23:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I have done the second episode now as well. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:06, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Alright, I will be nominating Ep 2 also. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 02:40, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
 * @Adamstom.97 Did you have plans to look over the third episode? If not I was going to nominate it now that episode 2 passed. --  Zoo Blazer  06:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah I plan to do some similar updates for the following episodes, I will update here when that's done. I was giving myself until the first episode passes as well. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

"Emmy Awards campaign" update
In the Emmy Awards campaign section, it says that the studio initially didn't make a decision about lead vs. supporting acting submissions, but there's nothing after that to confirm what actually happened. The archived "For Your Consideration" page lists both Mackie and Stan under lead acting (link). Would that be appropriate to add, or would that venture into inappropriate synthesis? RunningTiger123 (talk) 22:48, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Added, seems fine. Thanks, Indagate (talk) 08:13, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

"go behind the scenes of the making of the" phrasing
I previously came across this phrasing in Black Widow (film) article and amended it since I thought it sounded clumsy, even as a nonnative speaker. "the making if" part seemed redundant. This article and, on a quick look, at least a few other articles also have the same phrase. Just wondering if it's better to shorten it or leave it as it is. Squeezdakat (talk) 11:15, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this is redundant. "Behind the scenes" means the same things as "the making of". InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:04, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay rights. Thanks! Squeezdakat (talk) 05:00, 1 October 2022 (UTC)