Talk:The Goose that Laid the Golden Eggs

Morals
What basis exists for the (seemingly very modern) interpretation that over fishing etc is a danger to all? Yankoz

I agree, given that [Aesop] lived around 500 BC, it's unlikely that he was familiar with modern environmental thought. Even though sustainable use of resources is clearly a good and important cause, trying to tie into it here degrades the quality of this article. Therefore I've added the fact tag. 70.63.128.110 20:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

In Popular Culture
What about the 1971 Disney movie, The Million Dollar Duck? ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.75.93 (talk) 00:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Sources of the symbol
I'm removing the alchemical reference. Certainly the notion that medieval alchemical practice could influence a pre-Christian Greek is anachronistic and wrong, but there's also no evidence that alchemists were influenced by this fable. The original author of Hen that lays golden eggs, who added this statement, seems to have conflated the "alchemical goose" with the "philosopher's egg" (ovum philosophicum), and confused these synonyms for "alembic" with the alchemist's objective of transmuting lead into gold. Perhaps he mistook calcinated ore, sometimes described as a "hen's egg" in alchemical texts for its shape when removed from the oast, with gold. In any case, it is wrong. To turn lead into gold you need a pigeon. A hen or a goose simply won't do. Yappy2bhere (talk) 00:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

I've moved modern references The Black Pullet and Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory to a new section In popular culture. Yappy2bhere (talk) 01:26, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I have deleted the final section of popular instances altogether as being of doubtful relevance. The reference to an 18th century alchemical work is not 'popular' at all and, as Yappy2bhere demonstrates above, concerns a completely different symbol. This article is about Aesop's fable (and its Eastern analogues), not about chance references to golden eggs.


 * On the same grounds, I agree with the suggestion below and have removed the paragraph about Egyptian theology as speculative (original research) and unsourced. Finally I have deleted the following sentence as irrelevant to the fable. The story in Grimm referred to was not a golden goose but a golden bird (goldene vogel) and the story does not mention eggs or anything else to do with Aesop's fable. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 09:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Egyptian Theology
This section is completely unsourced, and sounds suspiciously simplistic. Ought it not to be deleted? 92.25.215.130 (talk) 03:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)Nefertum

Moral
This is an encyclopaedia and not the place for original research or personal point of view. If the morals suggested are not backed up with a reputable source (a secondary, modern retelling is not acceptable), I propose to remove them. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 14:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)


 * These enduring stories, fables and myths (in particular, Greek mythology) often contain hidden truths, obfuscated by their brilliant authors to allow the stories to endure. In this fable, Aesop hid a higher moral which minds blinded by self-defeating, depraved greed would never see. I'll tell you what I would do (Aesop clearly intended this hidden truth to be implied):
 * * I would not kill the Golden Goose.
 * * I would not sell the Golden Eggs.
 * * I would let them hatch.
 * * I would have a flock of Golden Geese.
 * I'll let you decide if the page can be altered but I feel it's patently obvious this is the true moral Aesop wanted to convey to a world of self-defeating greedy fools who cannot perceive their best interests. Children are Golden Eggs scrambled by their mothers' shame, lies and violence (to raise them Right) and sacrificed to gain the approval of Polite Society (who want broken children to exploit for utility and disposal). To secure exclusive control of mindless, obedient slaves, the minds of brilliant children are rendered near-dysfunctional to ensure their dependency. The Golden Eggs haven't hatched for 6000 years of child-mutilation required to produce the broken warriors and whores needed for tribal conflict. Goscuter1 17:26, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

In what way is raising 'a flock of Golden Geese' not also the thinking of 'depraved greed'? In any case, WP rules would count such an interpretation as Original Research without a reputable scholarly source to give it credence. 118.163.240.164 (talk) 00:57, 9 April 2014 (UTC)