Talk:The Hallé

Halle Choir
Should the text with highlights of the 2005-2006 season be deleted? It frankly sounds like so much PR from the time. DJRafe 06:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Evidence?
Just what is the evidence or criteria for the statement that the Halle is the oldest professional orchestra in the UK; it seems to be a mere assertion and ignores the activities of the Liverpool Philharmonic Society since 1840? balliol198079.75.102.151 (talk) 12:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I placed this Advertising Standards Authority decision in the article shortly after it was made https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2012/2/Royal-Liverpool-Philharmonic-Society/SHP_ADJ_175173.aspx http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-17041169 And find it is removed. The Halle complained about the RLPO claim and the ASA says the RLPO provided detailed evidence to prove it and so rejected the Halle's complaint. Who has been deleting genuine references of indisputable status? Tony S85.210.4.99 (talk) 09:07, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

UK's oldest orchestra?
The article states that the Hallé, founded in 1857, is the UK's oldest extant orchestra. The article on the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic claims that distinction for the RLPO, extant since 1840. Ought the assertion in the Hallé article be amended accordingly? Tim riley (talk) 09:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not so, cries John Summers, chief executive of the Hallé. "We are the oldest orchestra that has continuously given concerts," says Summers. "We've been doing it every year since 1858. [What] Liverpool [is saying] is bollocks."Grauniad
 * More seriously, Wikipedia should describe the dispute, if there is one, rather than take a position. Mr Stephen (talk) 10:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting! Should be verifiable one way or the other from the classifieds in the 1840s and 50s newspapers. I'll put it on my list for next trip to the BL newspaper library. Meanwhile, yes, both articles should say "claim to be" with a note to the effect you describe above. Tim riley (talk) 10:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Title: The Hallé
It hasn't always been called "The Hallé". It used to be called "the Hallé Orchestra". It's still generally referred to as "the Hallé Orchestra". Check virtually any link in other articles and it will appear as "the Hallé Orchestra", piped or redirected to "The Hallé".

We should at the very least mention that the apparently official current name is not what most people actually call it; and find out when and why it changed. This must be the only orchestra in the world whose name does not give the game away that it's actually an orchestra. -- Jack of Oz   [your turn]  20:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I first heard the Halle in 1952. It was generally known as "The Halle" then by most local folk, even those who didn't go to what were universally known as "Halle Concerts". I've never come across a "Halle" anything else. Dropping the "orchestra" from the title was fashionable - the Lindsay String Quarter began to call itself "The Lindsays" about the same time and for the same reasons. What A.D.Lindsay might have thought is another question. I do think this article might have had a better basis than what looks like a PR pre-emptive strike by the orchestra itself. Why, for example, no mention in the main text of the other 1950s Vaughan Williams world premiere - that of the Sinfonia Antartica? Or of the post-Harty period after 1934 when Beecham again acted as 'musical advisor' and conducted many of the orchestra's concerts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Delahays (talk • contribs) 13:36, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * So when did the name change occur? Rothorpe (talk) 20:54, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Charles Hallé in Liverpool
"Charles Hallé, who had been a founding member of the Liverpool Philharmonic" – Impossible, as the Liverpool Philharmonic gave its first concert in 1840, three years before Hallé made his first visit to England: see Michael Kennedy's ODNB article, here. Tim riley (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Das Klagende Lied
Das Klagende Lied (complete version) premiere 1997? What on earth had still been been missing since the three part version, (never performed by Mahler) emerged in 1969? UK Premiere? Manchester Premiere? Bridgewater Hall Premiere? First Public Adoption of Editorial Footnote Premiere? Not, by then, remotely in the same league as Harty's UK Premiere of the Mahler Ninth in 1932 in the Free Trade Hall. Later - it would appear that the performance of Das Klagende Lied included Mahler's first version of part I, which he only performed in a later revised version. So there is a technically justifiable claim to a premiere. But listing that and omitting Harty's 1932 UK premiere of the Mahler Ninth is somewhere on the scale from absent-minded to perverse, as is the exclusion of the VW Eighth from the premiere list, though I agree there is an earlier mention of it.Allanfearn (talk) 13:55, 22 September 2013 (UTC)