Talk:The Marais

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I'd like to see some evidence that homosexual people lived in the Marais during or before World War II (we certainly weren't called "gays" then) or that French homosexuals were deported by the Nazis. This seems like a bit of retrospective assumption to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.128.11 (talk) 06:26, 11 September 2003 (UTC)

Further to that, it is not true that the Nazis "immediately" began deporting Jews from the Marais, or from Paris generally. Deportations did not begin until 1941, and these only involved Jews who were not French citizens. French Jews were not deported until 1944.

Finally, it was not "the Nazis" who did the rounding up and deporting from Paris. It was the French police. The Germans did not take custody of the deportees until they arrived at the transit camps at Drancy and elsewhere. The French police and civil servants collaborated with the Nazis throughout the occupation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.51.185.209 (talk) 00:49, 12 September 2003 (UTC)
 * I don't have any evidence regarding the Marais, but French gays certainly were deported during the Holocaust. See I, Pierre Seel, Deported Homosexual by Pierre Seel. - Montr&eacute;alais —Preceding undated comment added by Montrealais (talk • contribs) 18:01, 18 November 2003 (UTC)
 * If you think that the article has factual errors, please feel free to amend it.olivier 06:12, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Style Note
Use of Roman numerals for centuries is standard in French, but not in English. Therefore, the style should be: nineteenth century or 19th century, not XIXth century. &mdash;MJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.117.13 (talk) 19:40, 1 April 2005 (UTC)

The holocaust museum (Shoah Memorial) just off Rue Vielle du Temple (4th arr.) toward the Seine commemorates the 70,000 or so Jews that were removed from Paris and environs by the occupation and Vichy government. Today, the area most certainly is a locus for gays in Paris, and still has a jewish community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.14.240 (talk) 03:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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Requested move 6 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  SITH   (talk)   16:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Le Marais → The Marais – Absolutely nobody calls it "Le Marais" in English, neither in speech, nor in writing; it is almost universally "The Marais" by an overwhelming factor. This isn't even close. (Additional ngram one, additional ngram two, additional ngram three.) I consider this an uncontroversial page move, but I'll leave it here for a while to see if anyone wants to comment. • Listed at WT:FRANCE.

• Listed at WT:GEOG.

• Listed at WT:LANG.

Mathglot (talk) 09:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC) updated by Mathglot (talk) 09:24, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. Main title headers in English Wikipedia should display the form that represents each respective topic's WP:COMMONNAME in English. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


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Re; Written like an ad/travel guide
Significant portions of the article and a large majority of the language used appear specifically to either promote The Marais in some way or simply to advertise it, neither of which are, to my knowledge, the purpose of Wikipedia as an encyclopaedic source. Some adjectives such as "outstanding", the liberal interpretation of citations or even just their omission entirely (including, amusingly, a citation needed next to "according to sources"), and having nearly two-thirds as many photos on an article about a portion of Paris than the entire article of Paris means that either incredible rewriting or just a total purge and starting from scratch are necessary. Until then, the warnings will stand. Thanks. --JJ Liu (Dylan Smithson) (talk) 00:29, 10 November 2020 (UTC)