Talk:The Mickey Mouse Club/Archive 1

Odd Sentence
"When TV Actress Countess Vaughn did not make it was not join the cast." - what the heck does this mean? It doesn't make any sense.

how many episodes
How many episodes were made for the 1st NMMC season?

(sorry, I thought you said original MMC!) Difficult to say. Five a week starting October 3, 1955 until, I don't know... March or April? I certainly can't imagine them going year-round, and since they were hour-long episodes the first two years, I find it difficult to imagine them going more than 26 weeks - 130 episodes. I would expect that they did reruns in the spring and summer, and perhaps even around Christmas time. It must have been absolutely grueling for the actors. I imagine that Walt Disney looked upon the show as one of his two flagship programs, and the studio went all out. The Mouseketeer segments did not even make up a whole hour, probably no more than 20 minutes worth with the whole cast, and perhaps another 10-20 minutes with a small number of them. The rest of the show used stock cartoons, footage shot by roving camera crews (like for the Newsreel), and other guest segments (like Professor Wonderful).

The New Mickey Mouse Club of the 1970s I can say for sure: 130 in the first year, another 130 in the second year. Again, there was use of stock cartoons and movies, and anywhere from 5 to 15 minutes of Mouseketeer involvement. (Some of the second batch of episodes had a serial segment and a cartoon, leaving very little time for the Mouseketeers themselves to appear in, and much of that was already taped and simply reused.)

Unless the episodes were "re-cut" for any of the scanty reruns after 1979, you can tell a first year and second year apart: the first year has a longer opening title sequence: two rocket trails, "he's our favorite mouseketeer we know you will agree, take some fun and mix in love our happy recipe" is among the additional lyrics.

Now, if you mean the 1980s-90s New Club, I couldn't tell you. I'd suspect no more than 130 per season, allowing one set of reruns. GBC 03:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

New Post
'''The following was restored from history. Please do not remove someone else's comments from Talk pages.''' Karen | Talk | contribs 04:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Each season had a different set number of shows. The numbers are approximate. The 1st and 2nd seasons had about 45 episodes. The 3rd and 5th seasons had about 55 episodes. Celebrated episode 100 in season 3 and episode 200 in season 5 There was actually a break in between these seasons. They ran the first half of the season then reran it before showing the second half. The 4th and 6th seasons had about 35 episodes. The 7th season had about 54 episodes. In between seasons, the reran the season they just showed and reruns of previous seasons. I hope I'm right. :) 	 - 	User:Toxicgal 19:45, 3 April 2005 (UTC) - 	(not by GBC - I have no interest in and no counts for the 1989-96 series)

(Have combined twice-restored section, with Toxicgal sig.) Karen | Talk | contribs 21:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Have restored this section YET AGAIN after blanking. Please do not remove the remarks of others from Talk pages, even if you disagree with them. The exceptions are forum-like comments that have nothing to do with the article, or the removal of personal attacks, neither of which apply to the text above. Thank you. Karen | Talk | contribs 04:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have no idea why it keeps vanishing like that. If it seems to be me its not as Im at a library and they all have the same ISP —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.195.3.11 (talk) 18:17, 7 December 2006 [UTC]

MMC Credit Clipping
If the 90's MMC were to air on the credit-clipping ABC Family, where would they clip? While I know they would wait until after the "Now it's time to say goodbye..." part, would they show the Disney-MGM Studios bumper? What would probably happen? 206.211.69.253 12:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they would edit the credits out completely. I think they will go to that annoying split screen. You know where the credits roll on one half (extremely small and hard to read) and ABC Family will show promotions for other shows on the other half (meaning you wouldn't be able to hear the closing rap).

Probably...Speaking of ABC Family, someone stuck this show (and Blossom) on the Future Programming section with nothing to back it up. WAVY 10 14:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Moosketeer maybe
It say here the name is not mouseketeer, why? Lincher 16:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

It was just an endearing term for Roy because he was such a big guy. He's not mouse size, he's moose size.

FOR THE ####### SLOW AND RETARDED
MMC ran from April 1989-March 1996. They had 315 episodes:
 * Season 1/2-45 episodes
 * season 3-55
 * season 4-35
 * season 5-55
 * season 6-35
 * season 7-54

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.185.125.101 (talk) 18:23, 2 November 2006 [UTC]


 * First of all, there is no need to come in here and insult people. Please see Wikipedia's policy on civility. Second, please do not remove someone else's comments from this page, even if you disagree with them.  Third - yes, the dates given for this incarnation of the show keep getting changed back and forth, and it would be nice to settle the issue. However, to do so requires something more than a claim that this is what it was.  We need to find a reliable source that  establishes which dates are correct, preferably something a little more reliable than IMDB, tv.com etc. Do you have a published source for the schedule above?  If so, please provide it.  Thanks. Karen | Talk | contribs 04:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This is a family article on a publicly-accessible web resource. There is no call for such vulgarity to be shown. Most mature people would agree that profanity should not be used around children, and as for me, I could live to be 999,999 and I still would consider myself too young to use profanity. I felt very strongly compelled to excise the vulgarity. Those who want to use the excised word can do so between their eyes and their brains. I do not apologize for sparing people such vulgarity. GBC 06:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't delete anything. Don't look at me! Also the dates I have came from the official website that ran through 2002. WWW.MMCONLINE.COM its probably down now. I apologize for my ulgarity. I hope you two can forgive me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.185.125.101 (talk) 06:44, 3 November 2006 [UTC]

Series ended in 1996
Yes, it did, wuit friggin changing it.16:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC) Added more info about the series.21:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The series did not friggin end in October 1994 nor aired on Saturdays. 74.195.3.199 19:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Matt Morris
I'm new here so could someone PLEASE correct the Matt Morris link? It directs you to a baseball player! Matt Morris is a song writer and has released an (awesome) album back in 2002 entitled UnSpoken. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kimothy614 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

No thats correct.74.195.3.199 19:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure? The ballplayer's bio says he was born in '74, which would have made him 20 at the end of his run, if the date range on this entry is right ... I would think a pro baseball player would have been pretty focused on playing by that point...

Nope. JDF was 20 when he started power rangers and had a son so what's your point? Roque played in the NBA for 6 months while doing the show.74.195.5.83 10:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Official MLB bio says ballplayer morris graduated from a high school in podunk New York; show was shot in LA or Florida, yes? Deleting link for the time being...

Aha! IMDB sez: Mouseketeer was Matthew Burton Morris; ballplayer is Matthew Christian Morris. Problem solved --12.47.123.121 23:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't mean shit. I was from Utah and managed to fly to every show for a year, ok and? Not EVERYone was friggin from FL, dude. Thats like saying the actors on Disney PR are all from NZ.74.195.5.83 10:19, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Unique Show Item
The article states "MMC is currently the only show on television to this day that celebrated its 200th episode about Racial Unity, a none-show importance. It featured Rev. Jesse Jackson, Tracie Spencer, Young Nation and Tevin Campbell."

Okay, so they had this show about racial unity with all this fine people. Great! God bless them! But ...

It is unclear to me just what makes this so special. Was the 200th episode about racial unity? Did the show have 200 episodes about racial unity? Or did they have a special celebration episode? What, please, does 'a none-show importance' mean? For that matter, what is a 'none-show'?

Apparently, they did something special about racial unity, and the author wanted to make a point of it. Fine. Please rewrite it so that it would be clear to a three year old.

Thank you.

--Wbfairer2 15:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've now cleaned it up as best I could, based on what little I've been able to find out about this. Karen | Talk | contribs 08:28, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you.

--Wbfairer2 14:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Stereotypical, redneck, assinine response.199.80.117.24 22:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Show's ending date
IMDB lists last episode airing in 1994. TV.com lists last episode airing in 1995. Anon's recent edit lists last episode airing in 1996.

Can someone please explain to me which (if any) of these is correct? Please list references and edit article's infobox accordingly. &mdash; Eric Herboso 23:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is the problem in a nutshell: IMDB doesn't have the ending dates, and there does not appear to be a reliable source online anymore to confirm things. (I don't remember offhand what it says on tv.com, but since it's basically a wiki it's kind of moot anyway.)  I strongly suspect 1996 is correct, but it seems hard to prove. At one time there was an official website that supposedly give the information, but it's long gone. The only reliable source I know of offhand is the Bill Cotter book, The Wonderful World of Disney Television, which lists the 1990s revival in the Disney Channel section at the end.  Cotter gives no ending date for the show, but does list cast members by year.  Let me check at home whether he shows some of them as working on the show through 1996.  If so, then we can cite that.  If not, that is itself evidence for the earlier date. Unfortunately, those who keep changing it to 1994 never discuss or cite anything, which makes it a little frustrating for the people who are passionate about the 1996 date. Karen | Talk | contribs

I have to be rude, negative, or disparaging, but the show frickin' ended in Spring 1996, a couple months before KI reruns ended as well. The show ENDED in 1994, as far as production. However there's so many episodes they made, they decided to skip the 1994-1995, that and Power Rangers now had most of their viewers so....Anyways, IMDB doesn't need ending dates, perse. That's not their personality or responsibility. 1989-1996 was enough, on their part. MMC and its editors had episode guides up which listed 3-7-1996 as the ending date which is true. Britney Spears and Marc Worden interviews also have the same thing.02:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Please do not remove the comments of others from talk pages, even if you disagree with them. (And please do not deny having done so. The history is clear.) The point of my comment above is not to refute the 1996 date, but that it is hard to find anything in print to support that date.  Under Wikipedia standards, it's not enough that you know it to be true.  It has to be backed up by a reliable source, especially if there is disagreement.  I have been trying to do this, so that nobody will change your 1996 dates any more.  But getting angry with people who are trying to help prove that you're right is of no value to anyone.  As for the Cotter book: I did look it up, and it gave the cast participation by season number, not year, and gave no end date. Perhaps if Disney Channel is about to rerun this era of the show, it will put the information back online, and then we can cite it and put the issue to rest. Meanwhile, if you can point to those interviews (are they online, or in the DVD extras, or a magazine, or what?), perhaps we can cite those instead. Thanks. Karen | Talk | contribs 21:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about Karen? I don't delete anything here because its not my page so please don't sit there and tell me I have, point or no point. DVD extras and those ran out of print by November 1999.74.195.5.83 23:03, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with 74.195.5.83; they didn't delete your comments Karen. That was done by 165.139.138.1. Since they didn't add anything, I just undid their removal. Saratoga Sam 00:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. I didn't mean to specifically address the IP user in the comment below mine, but rather the IP user who made that particular edit. I was in a rush, and didn't pay close attention to the IP addresses. I didn't even notice that Saratoga Sam had already reverted the blanking!  (Oops!) My apologies, 74.195.5.83! Karen | Talk | contribs 06:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Now I feel stupid. lol. Sumimasenka74.195.5.83 10:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Matt Damon
Matt Damon was born in 1970 and seems too old to have been a finalist for the MMC. The IMDb says he mentioned on Leno that he and Ben Affleck were inadvertently sent to audition while in college. Don't have time to reserach this properly but that's a far more plausible story.

When did they mention this?199.80.117.25 19:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

1990s cast list
Okay, I've cleaned up the cast listing for the MMC incarnation of the series, working directly from the Bill Cotter book from Disney's Hyperion Press. As did Cotter, I listed them alphabetically, and with season numbers in which they appeared rather than years. This has two advantages: 1) it comes from a reliable source, which is harder to do with listings by year, and 2) it avoids the ongoing controversy about listing end dates as 1994 vs. 1996. I hope this will reduce the revert wars over the dates, and also make it easier to root out fake cast members as people add them. -- Karen | Talk | contribs 05:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please tell me how i can find the Red cap with black mickey mouse ears with the writing of mouseketters on the front of it can someone help me find one or point me in the right direction, i am told they are rare to find

Any help anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated

Michael. J Keith

Theme song
How come there's no mention of the theme song? ("M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E! Mickey Mouse! Mickey Mouse!") There are also a ton of popular cultural references (ie. end of Full Metal Jacket, etc.) JAF1970 01:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's mentioned in passing in the 1970s section, but it should probably be mentioned in the 1950s section as well if there's something to say. "Popular culture" sections seem to be on their way out on Wikipedia, and we don't quote large chunks of lyric because of copyright.  But we could mention that Jimmie Dodd wrote "The Mickey Mouse March", and that there was a long version and a short version.  In fact, I think I'll go do that now. -- Karen | Talk | contribs 02:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

4th series?
Are there any plans for a 4th run of the show in the future? CrazyC83 03:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Redlinked cast members
The touchpoint for this comment is Zachary Jaydon; he had an article which was deleted (see the AfD discussion). There are a number of cast members that are listed but have redlinks. How many of them should be removed from the list; on the flipside, how many of them have reliable sources showing they were a major player on the show? (And IMDB is not always considered reliable.) —C.Fred (talk) 04:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a question of whether they were major cast members. It's been (or was intended to be) a full list, and most of it is from the work cited, i.e. the Cotter book. However, I have seen references to Jaydon in several places, not all of them as easily dismissed as IMDb. The threshold for merely listing a cast member should not be as high as notability for having an article, and enough people have added this particular name in the past year to indicate at least minor notability. I say, let's continue to have as complete a list as possible (and remove the wikilinks for the nn ones), while retaining the requirement of a reliable source for any additions or disputed names. People do seem to add spurious names fairly frequently, presumably themselves or friends. But Jaydon is not such a case.  I personally know very little about that iteration of the series, but I have seen evidence that Jaydon was in it. But in any case, let's stop with this revert war and get the question settled! --Karen | Talk | contribs 05:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I have taped every episode of MMC from the beginning of the series to when it ended. There was never a Zachary Jaydon on the show. Ever. Don't know who that person is. The only thing I can think of is that one of the original castmembers had a different stage name. However, all of the castmembers are already listed on the cast list. So again.......not sure who this Zachary Jaydon character is - but he was NOT :on MMC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.134.28 (talk) 20:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I also spent most of my childhood watching this program and have seen him on the show MANY times. I own many Disney Channel Magazine issues with his name and picture listed in the cast, with the cast. There are many reliable sources online showing this as well as YouTube videos with him in the sketches, numbers etc. This article has turned into a war over cast members, dates etc and needs to be handled MUCH more professionally if it is to be an accurate account of the show and its cast. There isn't a cast member on this page that should be redlinked. They all have a history, and should be followed up on. If anyone would like to help me write articles on the redlinked cast members, please let me know. Skyler Morgan (talk) 03:38, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I am quite frankly unable to understand where thegingerone comes up with her 'allegations' on who is who on here, etc. I have NEVER met Zachary Jaydon as this user claims they have, however I am very knowledgeable about his career. For the record, I also follow the career of several other Mouseketeers. The comments above are slanderous, and I am removing them per Wikipedia standards. I am also requesting an admin block for the same violation of Wiki standards. I would ALSO like to point out that nearly every article this user has ever worked with has ended up in edit wars, blocks and a generally negative environment. Please make a note of this via her talk page, etc. Skyler Morgan (talk) 07:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Very mature deleting my comment. Im not even starting with you.  I'd be HAPPY to prove who you are Mr. Jaydon (or is it Paull?) Skylar Morgan was a woman who worked on 44th floor records with Ben Bledsoe as did you.  Im sure if I contacted her she would be appalled at you usuing her name.  As for your bullshit claims against me which quite frankly I expect but grow tired of its quite easy to prove I've been involved in 2 edit wars: one with you and your self promotion on Wikipedia; and one with a troll on the Valentino page which you must still be internet stalking me to know about and comment on (which I find quite pathetic in all honesty).  Im not 'stalking' your edits...I only ended up over here after someone made a comment on your article (Zachary Jaydon) talk page which is apparently on my watchlist from the deletion log in November.  I have better things to do then fight with you; Wikipedia has already deemed you not worthy; so quit putting PR crap on here.  Get a life, get some help, and grow up.  And to repeat: Skylar Morgan is Zachary Jaydon usuing her identity.  Id undo his deletion of my last comment but I have better things to mess around with right now.--Thegingerone (talk) 10:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Enough! Stop this right now.


 * The solution is very simple. Find a reliable source. No souce = no entry. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 18:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd just like to correct one of my statements; Skyler Morgan wasnt a real person; it was an alias Bledsoe and Jaydon used for 44th Floor Records. Apparently Zachary has fully taken it over now so it is still him.--Thegingerone (talk) 10:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to ask... From your statements, which are vast, you seem to have NO idea what you're talking about. "Apparantly you need to get your facts straight, because this ENTIRE charade is getting old. Where do you "find" your information? Skyler Morgan (talk) 11:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)


 * From 44th Floor Records my dear. I like getting my facts straight; just because I wont let you promote yourself so shamelessly doesnt mean you need to be all crazy.  Doesnt matter; you cant cite anything anyways so Im done with this argument.--Thegingerone (talk) 11:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

How to prove if someone was a cast member
Acceptable sources would include : A Disney channel website listing the cast. A quality newspaper article. A quality magazine article. A book published through a traditional non vanity publisher. A DVD box set cover listing the cast. (I'm sure that there are others)

Unnaccptable sources would be: A self published website, a website where anyone can edit ( such as IMDB). A website that gets it's info from a place where anyone can edit, (such as answers.com which gets it's info from us). A vanity press book or magazine.

OK. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 09:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay then. Well then I can easily prove Zachary Jaydon; under any name; was not in the MMC.  this site does not have him, this site does not have him, youtubed clips of the series (with credits) do not have him, and the book (mentioned earlier in this talk page) WONDERFUL WORLD OF DISNEY TELEVISION, THE: A COMPLETE HISTORY by Bill Cotter (published by Disney Editions) does not mention him.  The end I guess.  And I would like to say a thank you to 2 people who helped me with those sources; that wasnt my own work :p--Thegingerone (talk) 10:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Id like to add this is the cast list according to that official book: Information from: The Wonderful World of Disney Television: A Complete History, by Bill Cotter. New York: Hyperion (1997), page 293-297.


 * Cotter, pg. 295: The Mickey Mouse Club


 * Cast and seasons they appeared: Josh Akcerman (1-7), Christina Aguilera (6-7), Lindsey Alley (1-7), Rhona Bennett (4-7), Nita Booth (4-7), Mylin Brooks (3-5), Brandy Brown (1-3), Blain Carson (4-5), J.C. Chasez (4-7), Braden Danner (1), Tasha Danner (4-5), Nikki DeLoach (6-7), T.J. Fantini (6-7), Albert Fields (1-3), Dale Godboldo (4-7), Ryan Gosling (6-7), Tiffini Hale (1-3, 7), Chase Hampton (1-3, 7), Roque Herring (1-2), Tony Lucca (4-7), Ricky Luna (3-7), Tate Lynche (6-7), DeeDee Magno (1-3), Jennifer McGill (1-7), Terra McNair (4-5), Ilana Miler (3-7), Jason Minor (3-5), Terri Misner (4-6), Matt Morris (4-7), Fred Newman (1-6), Kevin Osgood (2-5), Damon Pampolina (1-3), Mowava Pryor (1-3), Keri Russell (4-6), Britney Spears (6-7), Justin Timberlake (6-7), Marc Worden (3-7).

--Thegingerone (talk) 10:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless there is compelling evidence that Bill Cotter accidentally omitted someone, I suggest that the list be maintained as per the list above. Quite aside from this Jaydon issue, people add names all the time that probably belong to themselves or their friends, rather like the kids who edit articles about young stars to claim that the star is dating the editor. Another Disney fan once mentioned that Cotter may have made a few mistakes in the course of his 629-page book (which in manuscript was much longer, Cotter says); but I have yet to see strong evidence that his list is incorrect in this case. Any additions should therefore be reverted unless a reliable source is provided per Theresa's reiteration of WP:RS criteria. Thanks! --Karen | Talk | contribs 19:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The list provided above is slightly different than that provided by Dave Smith, founder and chief archivist of the Disney Studio archives. The August 1998 edition of his book, Disney A to Z: The Updated Official Encyclopedia, Hyperion, ISBN 0-7868-6391-9, pp 387-388 adds David Kater, who also has a separate mention on p307, but only has one person with the last name of Danner...Braden Danner, no Tasha Danner is listed; perhaps they are the same person? - Saratoga Sam (talk) 21:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh! I didn't think to check the Smith book! But unhelpfully, Braden Danner was male, Tasha Danner female, per my Googling. And the best sources lead right back to Cotter. I imagine Smith is right about David Kater, but accidentally omitting the second Danner. --Karen | Talk | contribs 03:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there any way to get this page protected as its had such problems with fake cast members (beyond Jaydon) several times? Is it all correct now?--Thegingerone (talk) 05:50, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No protection is only for pages that are being constantly vandalised. The issue of fake cast member is best dealt with by reverting. Theresa Knott | The otter sank 08:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Zachary Jaydon
I've reverted this text out twice: Is anyone able to verify that these references are legitimate? "Zachary Jaydon" seems to be the most contested of the possibly mythical Mouseketeers. Kww (talk) 10:29, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Zachary Jaydon (Seasons 1-7)

Do your research. I have. These sources are independent, official and verifiable. Do not revert cited sources. It's highly inappropriate. Skyler Morgan (talk) 16:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It can be reinserted at any time that some editor other than you has confirmed the source. You are well aware of your history regarding this article, and it is quite reasonable of me to ask for some other editor to confirm these sources.Kww (talk) 17:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the consensus here is that a registered editor, with a history of contributions to Wikipedia that doesn't center solely on promotion of Zachery Jaydon, needs to confirm the validity of these "sources". Suggested locations that probably have copies of the sources include the Los Angeles Public Library (main branch) and the Library of American Broadcasting at College Park, Maryland.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saratoga Sam (talk • contribs) 12:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've tried posting on WP:RS, and have e-mailed editors that have formerly edited this article trying to get that validation, with no luck so far. I live on a Dutch speaking island in South America, so my friendly library hasn't got 15-year-old American children's magazines. Is this really so specialized that a standard library couldn't get it through inter-library loan? I also loved the quote from last night's anonymous "validator":Note: Zachary Jaydon was not a regular cast member. He was not featured in the opening credits or closing credits as a regular cast member. If this is the case, why should he be listed in this article?Kww (talk) 14:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The sources most recently being cited are magazine articles. I'm not sure the average library would have back issues of Disney Magazine on fiche/film. *cringe* I'd almost look at a scan of the pages from the editor-in-question just to be able to see something about him as a starting point. —C.Fred (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This really smells of bad faith; people insert stuff into Wikipedia all the time that isn't immediately verifiable on the internet, and it usually isn't reverted at first sight. It would make sense that information would exist within the context of that publication.  If you can't confirm that isn't, then leave it alone and make a post to the RS noticeboard.  In cases like this, we should be erring on the side of content, not on the lack of content.  Celarnor Talk to me  21:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * More like a COI problem. Many people suspect that TragedyStriker/Skyler Morgan is either Zachary Jaydon or someone that has a close relationship to him. TragedyStriker has a long history trying to force Jaydon's inclusion in this article. If you only look at the past few days, the reaction here probably looks unjustified. If you look over the period of months, it will look more reasonable. Also, I have posted on the RS noticeboard. Kww (talk) 21:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You may find the AFD on Zachary Jaydon relevant - it seems he is a bit of a hoaxster. Neıl 龱  01:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)