Talk:The Offspring/Archive 1

Unknown Disagreement/Personal Opinion Problem
Apparently a few people have problems with things I have posted. They were in fact sourced, and I have posted links to those source(s) where relevant.

I'll give you credit for the backup singers info, but the other part is still not verified. Not to mention that your entries were not very wikified, ie. "audio coming soon" and linking a source in parentheses. brabblebrex 13:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Copyright Violation
The previous version of this page was an apparent copyright violation from See page history.

I plan to add more here at some point. --Sam

I didn't mean to revert Eloquence's latest revision, but I couldn't tell what changed in the edit conflict screen. Checking history, it looks like I made basically the same revisions as he did. If I'm wrong, Eloquence, feel free to refix whatever you did in the first place. Tuf-Kat

RIAA CERTIFACTIONS
http://www.riaa.com/gp/database/search_results.asp

dain84: The RIAA site doesn't work that well. I do have a limited edition platinum copy of Smash that was certified by the RIAA.

Conspiracy Of One?
Why isn't there a background/paragraph on COO? Many things happened then, like how Offspring was going to give out the album for free, Original Prankster being a hit single etc. I coulda swore there was one.

Sell out?
Even tough I know that their songs aren't as hardcore as they used to be I wouldn't call the a punk/pop band. - They're just doing something different from most punk bands. They aren't exactly pop either. In fact, there aren't a lot of bands like the offspring have become so they clearly aren't sell-outs to the mainstream. - ^There's a difference from being hardcore and without rhythm. The Offspring is not hardcore and the lead singer sounds like he's drunk. Andre Wong 02:02, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC) - What does hardcore have to do with selling out? Nothing at all is the answer. Them being a pop punk band has nothing to do with their success, they are pop punk because that is the style of music they play. - Deathrocker 18:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC) - XDXD all lot of their stuff is wwhat i call mock rock....songs meant to make ya laugh =] their a really good band though, and gone away defintely showed that...poor dex Inuxshinedown 02:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC) - Being hardcore does not automatically make the band pop-punk. The Ramones are not pop-punk, and they weren't hardcore. - I think he doesn't mean hardcore as in the style, but you know I guess.. ;) But I would not call them pop punk either, bands like blink-182 and Simple Plan I would call pop-punk, lighter songs with lyrics mostly about love and in that direction. Offspring doesn't sound like that, and that isn't their main subject to sing about. I would call them a Punk Rock/Skate Punk band... MATKO5000 (talk) 00:05, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Dirty Magic
"Ignition, saw them move away from more traditional punk, heading into the pop-punk of the mid-1990s with songs like "Dirty Magic"."

I really wouldn't call 'Dirty Magic' pop-punk at all, but I'd appreciate other opinions before changing it. - (contributed by Mullet)


 * I agree. Dirty Magic is not pop-punk. Besides, to be pop-punk, it would have to be popular. Not many people know the song Dirty Magic. They didn't really become pop-punk until Smash with songs like Gotta Get Away, Self-Esteem, and Come Out And Play. - (contributed by 172.194.149.8)

I agree that dirty majic is not pop-punk, however a band does not have to be "popular" to be considered pop-punk", look at Mest. -

Indeed, pop-punk is a genre of music, it has nothing to do with being popular, it just had a more pop sound to it. What Dirty Magic absolutely does not have. MATKO5000 (talk) 00:06, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The "The"
The "The" is definately definately there, right?

Because for whatever reason, the Official UK Charts Company has them registered as "Offspring". Theres a The on the front of the CD's I have here anyway, can't find anything to say its not there... record label screwup? worth mentioning? --Kiand 21:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Officially, they are definatly known as "The Offspring", it is the name which appears in nearly all the official litrature relating to the band aswell as on all their album covers, with the exception of the "Smash" album.


 * Inclusion of the "The" part of band's names is always a contentious issue as doing so destroys any meaningful alphabetic organisation of the names (as so many bands would appear under "T"), which is why many charts and similar lists choose to leave out the "The". An alternate system that is gaining popularity includes the "The" in the band's names but ignores it during the alphabetical organisation (i.e. so "The Offspring" would appear under "O" and not "T"). Canderra 03:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The band is sometimes popularized as "Offspring" or "The Offspring" (like The Smashing Pumpkins (sometimes called as "Smashing Pumpkins"), Foo Fighters (sometimes known as "The Foo Fighters"), etc.). However, because of that, we can just leave it as "The Offspring". Never, have all the covers of their albums say just "Offspring" (except Smash) also. Let me know if any one of you agree with anything about this or not. Alex 101 23:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I wasn't suggesting moving it, its definately the most common usage to have the The there, its just that its a bit odd that their label registered them with OUKCC as just "Offspring". Ah well. --Kiand 23:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Officially, the band is known as "The Offspring". When listed in an alphabetical list, they are "Offspring, The" -- that is standard practice for any such name or title.  "Offspring" by it self originated with "Smash", but it ended there as well. --D Mighton 20:07 EST, 18 December 2005


 * Even in "Smash" booklet it is written "by The Offspring", capital letter suggests that "The" is not used beacuse of gramatical purposes. I always have problem where to search it in music shops("O" or "T").--Teodozjan 20:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Style Cleanup
While a general cleanup of the article would be great - removing/reducing the "Background" section and putting the bulk of the information under more relevant headings - a less drastic update which the article needs is for song/album names to all be in the same style.

At the moment, at the start of the article, album names (such as Ignition and Smash) appear in italics and song names are "quoted" (such as "Dirty Magic") wheras further down the article, song names appear in italics (e.g. Kids arn't alright and Why don't you get a job). I'm not sure what the Wikipedia standard is (which is why I haven't fixed the inconsistancy myself) but could someone who knows which way round they should be please make them all that way. - Canderra 05:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Fixed (Wikipedia standard)83.118.38.37 11:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The section Two years of silence (2005-2006)is miss-titiled, the band released a greatest hits disk, played the Vans Warped tour, as well as playing dates in Europe and Japan. The band was quite active during those years.

In the soundtrack for The Chase (1994 movie)
Offspring's "Forever and A Day" was #5 and "Take It Like a Man" was #10 in their soundtrack. -- Sy / (talk) 07:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Ron Welty -> Atom Willard
I noticed that there aren't any mentions to Atom Willard on the article, or neither is any information regarding him joining the band, for whatever reasons, or if he had any previous relation to the band members, etc. I'm not making edits because i'm not really into The Offspring or Atom Willard.

Also it could be mentioned his actual participation on Angels and Airwaves. --Greedy 03:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Pop Punk
The Offspring are not a 'pop punk' band. Yes they have released singles such as Why Don't You Get a Job which do lean more towards the 'pop punk' side, however the vast vast majority of their music is just plain punk. What is pop about Ignition or Smash? I think I'm going to change it, feel free to object.Jacknife737 22:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Objection, on the grounds that The Offspring play in several different modes and make a point of crossing genres, thus the more general term is more appropriate.

I agree on certain songs; however i'd consider the vast majority of their music to be regular 'punk'. The Clash put out songs like Lost in the Supermarket, but are still considered a 'punk' band. The term punk describes the majority of the Offspring's music; and as such is the most accurate word to describe their style of music.Jacknife737 22:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I disagree: yes, they have "proper" punk origins, but everything since (and including) Americana, which was released 8 years ago are more pop-punk, or punk-rock, as it seems to be called. -- Jon Dowland 19:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, this is the easiest thing to consider The Offspring, this is what I always considered them. Their first three albums are Punk Rock. Then all the albums after Smash are Alternative Rock. - Tom

While I've always found it odd that they were termed pop punk (especially since stuff on Smash has more in common with hardcore than the Ramones), they've been constantly referred to by the media and music press as pop punk. WesleyDodds 11:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

What amazed me more than 'pop punk', which is, frankly, still punk, was 'alternative rock'. Oh, please, where? Dubbing more and more artists alternative led to the situation where 90% of all bands are alternative. I respectfully disagree that Offspring is, too. When a band's already punk, or pop punk, it shouldn't be alternative as well (I don't think it's even possible). Please remove this blasphemy. Jacky, 18:52, 27 August 2006.

I wouldn't know too much about this, but I have always classified them as punk rock (I only have the album Americana). 12hernn 01:11, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they're pop punk. i have splinter and smash. smash sounds more influenced by grunge, punk rock, and some classic rock. splinter sounds more influenced by some alt-rock, and some grunge, ska, and punk. but seriously, most people who think their pop probably don't even know the difference between ska and pop.Itachi1452 00:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The Offspring are not pop punk but not punk rock too.If you want to have something from this have them both.Green Day are pop-punk and The Offspring are same as Green Day as it is said that they together popularized punk in the 90s.They have pop-punk songs and they they have and pop songs too.One Fine Day and All I Want is pop-punk.Pretty Fly and Original Prankster are pop songs.Pop music with guitars not alternative and Smash is post-grunge/punk/metal it's not punk rock.
 * The Offspring is punk-rock, besides you have a talk abobe, so i will move this. Please sign your comments --Dexter prog 11:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Dead user Deathrock. You keep changing The Offspring genre with unrealiable sources such as about.com. I invite you all guys to read the article this user is supporting:

" ===Pop Punk===

''More melodic than hardcore, pop punk is a style that owes more to the Beatles and '60s pop than other subgenres of punk. While the sound began with the Buzzcocks, it was several years before it grew into what is arguably the most popular subgenre of punk today.

Pop punk's revival can be traced to 1988, with the establishment of Lookout! Records. Based in California, the label was releasing music that went against the California hardcore punk that was predominant on the scene at the time.

With bands like Screeching Weasel and some young kids by the name of Green Day', the label was systematically producing and releasing pop punk records. Like pop music, the sound was infectious.

In 1994, Green Day's album Dookie became a huge commercial success, and other pop punk bands like the Offspring and NOFX quickly followed suit. Pop punk bands continue to consistently climb the charts, and pop punk continues to be the most commercially successful type of punk rock.'' Essential Bands: Buzzcocks, Green Day, Screeching Weasel, Offspring, NOFX, The Descendents, blink-182, New Found Glory, Sum 41

http://punkmusic.about.com/od/punk101/a/subgenres.htm

Green Day ?? NOFX ?? The Offspring ?? PUNK POP ?!??!?!?! Anyone who has listened to punk rock can tell this bands are not punk pop (only the las album by Green Day could be considered considered punk pop, but, for god's sake, Dookie a punk pop album?? What the hell!). --Dexter prog 15:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

holy shit. i mean, green day is pop punk, they even admit it themselves like on their myspace page, but bands like the buzzcocks??? or NOFX?!!! i mean, that's just pushing it. Itachi1452 03:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

and also btw, why don't you get a job? isn't pop punk, but instead...SKA PUNK! Itachi1452 00:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Offspring is NOT pop-punk. And they should not be labeled alternative either. At some point there will be more alternative bands than non-alternative :). Lets just call them punk and be done with it? Foreeye 10:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Link to "Best-selling music artists"
I can't actually find them on that list, being artists that hav sold upwards of 50 million records. So why is there this link? Anyway i thought their sales figures stood a bit above 40 million.

Yes, i think thats correct.Jacknife737 00:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Live Preformances
"Some dedicated Punk followers believe The Offspring are awful live, and have accused Dexter's voice of sounding very whiney in concert, and allegedly questioned about Noodles skills as a guitarist."

That is unencyclopediadic, and is unsourced.

"In 2001 while touring Australia with guest band 28 Days, 28 Days revealed The Offspring used backstage singers....."

This line is not sourced. Punk POP: I resent you deleting my work when it was in fact sourced:http://www.accessallareas.net.au/indie/28days.php. I will put it back now.

Thanks for doing all that cleanup work. brabblebrex 23:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem, if anyone has any issues with the edits i made, let me know.Jacknife737 00:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC

I altered the wording. Jacknife737 19:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

The source above says "at the back of the stage", not backstage. The article already lists Higgins as a backing singer. -- Jon Dowland 19:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that this part of the article is unnecessary and false, I have many live concerts of the Offspring and they do not suck live, nor does Dexter's singing. The other member is Higgins aka (X-13) and he does some backing vocals like the "keep them separated" part of come out and play, he is not hired to cover up Dexters 'flaws', which don't exist.

I agree, it sounded like the band 28 days was just bitter. I to have seen the offspring live and it was clear that there was no lypsynicing involved. Jacknife737 20:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that the section was removed, i have no problem with that. Jacknife737 16:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

This is constantly added to Live Performances:


 * "The band is known for their musically accurate and energetic performances, in which Dexter and Noodles run all over the stage and interact with the crowd. Although, Greg doesn´t do much his constant and unique bass movement keeps the crowd happy and has became his trademark. Dexter`s voice remains almost the same as when the band started, which allows them to play anysong of their catalogue."

unsourced, and sounds awfully fanboyish

Baby in a Blender
Please stop adding this title for the bands upcoming release, there has been no official statement from the band, the bands management, or the record label. Thanks. Jacknife737 02:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

The Kids Aren't Alright is NOT the Buffy the Vampire Slayer theme music
The actual theme music is by Nerfherder

Murphy's Law Panty Raid Rip-off
That song "Come out and Play" is a clear rip off of an old NYHC band's (Murphy's Law) track "Panty Raid." Not only is the riff exactly the same, you can even sing the lyrics to Panty Raid over "Come's" structure and they fit perfectly. I believe Murphy's Law did have a law-suit against them at one point which had been dropped (for reasons I don't understand because the evidence looked very clear since Panty Raid was released in 1989 on the album "Back with a Bong"). Anyway, before adding this, if there is some way this can be verified, perhaps it should be before being added; if it is, I think it most definitely needs to be added because (from what I remember) the Offspring were about to call it quits before that album (and song) came out, and that song literally gave them the career they have now (as disgsuting as that is).


 * Every song is a rip-off of an earlier song. The Offspring made the song better and more popular. It's not disgusting that the song helped their career, it's disgusting that someone would think that they deliberately copied another song.

Walla Walla is also a rip off of some Vandals song. I forget the name.Hoponpop69 19:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually I think that Dexter originally wrote Walla Walla for the Vandals, but they ended up rejecting it. Jacknife737 05:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Punk? Not anymore
IMHO, and only IMHO, The Offspring are no longer punk, but now just alternative. In my opinion, a band is no longer punk when they sign to a major label.

Well that’s a real narrow minded point of view. So you wouldn’t consider the Clash, and Ramones to be punk as they were both signed to major labels? The Offspring still continue to play a style of music that is primarily punk, yet has other influences, such as alt rock, pop-punk, ect. Jacknife737 01:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Offspring were never a punk rock band. They are a huge part of the 1990s pop punk movement (read that article) and one of the reasons it was so popular... they are not from the 1970s (which punk rock is) they are not even from London or New York. - Deathrocker 10:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Punk came from a lot more places than London and CBGB's/New Jersey. California Punk? X, the Germs, Black Flag, the Descedents, Agent Orange, The Skulls, Dead Kennedys, Circle Jerks, Minutemen, Guttermouth, Bad Religion, Suicidal Tendencies, The Stains, Catholic Discipline, Fear, The Adolescents . . . Want me to continue? I can. . . Anyway, the Offspring have moved away from punk, but their earlier stuff was definetly there. Listen to L.A.P.D. BMan1113VR 01:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The genre is usually called surf punk and is a fusion of surf guitar sound (e.g. Dick Dale) with punk rock energy and adding lyrics. The Offspring were even sent a licensing document by the copyright holder for what is considered the first surf punk band, Agent Orange (band) for borrowing the guitar solo for "Bloodstains" on their hit "Come Out and Play." ([]).  The riff is similar, but not exact, and unless the riff is defining it would be impossible to win a lawsuit.  For that matter, it's almost impossible to win a lawsuit for music (copyright is on the performance, unlike lyrics), and you can freely borrow the music for parody as the Vandals did in the song "Aging Orange" on The Quickening.  --146.122.71.143 16:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

They are a Californian pop punk band, which came out of an environment where hardcore punk had previously been. Their musical characteristics are not the same as those described in punk rock. - Deathrocker 10:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes they were, and they were even punk. You don't know them when you say this. I bet you only heard Americana.... And so you want to say that if band doesn't comes from London or New York then they aren't punk rock?! That's truly stupid. And BTW: Punk Rock was not only in 70s, it lives nowadays. - Peedr


 * At this point, I really don't care what The Offspring's real genre is. Deathrocker, who keeps changing this band's genre, appears to be something of a crusade to change the genres "punk rock" to "pop punk" to articles like Bad Religion, Rancid and others. The Offspring started in 1984 as a "just-punk" band and on their first two albums, their 1989 self-titled debut and Ignition, the band was more like "hardcore punk" or something, so they didn't launch into the pop punk scene until Green Day's time, which was 1994 where they got the success with their Smash album.


 * And to Deathrocker: If Black Flag, Circle Jerks or Minor Threat weren't from London or New York, would you chnage their genre to pop punk? I wouldn't think so and there was no such thing as pop punk because those bands started in the late 70s/early 80s anyway. Alex 03:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Dude, if you think they're pop punk, you've never heard the ramones. think of the blitzkrieg bop.  tis catchy, but do we consider it pop punk?!!!  besides, there still exist modern punk rock bands like the unseen, strike anywhere, and anti-flag etc.  plus, if you ever decide to read the punk rock section, deathrocker, you've see that it adds the offspring as helping revive punk along with other bands like rancid.  but do we consider rancid pop punk?!!!  you probably can't even tell the difference between pop and ska.Itachi1452 23:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Alex 101, your arguments make little sense and you seem to have little knowledge on the subject, Black Flag, Circle Jerks and Minor Threat play hardcore punk, I don't argue that they were "punk rock", they were hardcore bands. Regardless of where they are from... that was their musical style.

The Offspring were not part of punk rock, they were part of a distant subgenre of it... that developed in California after hardcore punk began to wane. I know you said you don't even care what their real genre is, and thus shouldn't be editing the article in the first place if you have no regard for fact... but read the punk rock article and find out what the music style is. Read the characteristics in the infobox of that article, the Offspring don't share them. The Offspring were one of the most prominent bands in the pop punk movement. - Deathrocker 22:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahem, also, please read the Smash page. it mentions how the music appealed to fans of pop punk, punk rock, grunge, and metal. also, if you have the time to read something other than wikipedia definitions, deathrocker, and perhaps read the review on smash, the principle album named under the pop punk section, you'd see how the critics say that it contains elements found in nirvana without the recklessness, and they even put that they felt that the offspring were as heavy as metallica, though they insisted they were punk. the critics made absolutely no mention of pop at all. if a band has a few songs that lean a little towards the pop punk side, you still don't call them pop punk. especially since the offspring has 7 debut albums. Itachi1452 14:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

"Sound" section
Is there any need for this? It is badly written and doesn't say anything that isn't already in the article 62.25.109.195 14:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I've reworded it, but it seems tragically uneeded. Vote to delete? Sir Teh 19:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Rock Against Bush track
I added the song Baghdad under non-album tracks. (Kilby6 19:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC))

Charts
added charts from this site: http://norwegiancharts.com/ I only used Norway, Sweded, and Austria because only those archives span the bands career. Archives for the other countries only go back a few years and will require further research. 195.137.109.177 11:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

"Very popular"
I want to know why anons continue changing "The Offspring is a popular American band" to "The Offspring is a very popular American band". Changing it to "very popular" sounds nothing but POV. I know they have been popular for nearly 12 years, but that doesn't mean it should be changed to "very popular". If this is changed again, I will add a hidden warning note same as I did with the genre from the band infobox. Alex 17:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC) Well, from a dickhead like you, i expect nothing less.62.241.234.233 00:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

greatest hits album
Why hasnt the greatest hits been listed, is consists of new studio recorded songs like 'can't repeat', 'defy you' and 'next to you' that havnt been included on any of their there albums.

Mat Aeryan

http://offspring.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Offspring.woa/wa/albums —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mat-aeryan (talk • contribs) 03:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Greatest Hits is a compilation album, not a full-length studio album. Just because it has unreleased songs, doesn't mean it's a proper full-length studio album. This is the reason why we have The Offspring discography, because adding the whole discography like the EPs and the talbe of their singles may clutter up the article. Read the hidden note on the discography section of this page, where it says "do not include any other releases". Alex 15:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, "next to you" is a cover of...the police? and defy you is part of the soundtrack from orange county. Only cant repeat is new Foreeye 10:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Atom Willard officially gone or not
Anons keep removing Atom Willard from the current members list and re-adding him to past members list. I know Punkbands.com said that Angels and Airwaves' bass player confirmed that the drummer Atom Willard is no longer in this band, but I think it would be better that we wait until there is no official announcement on The Offspring's official website. So, let's just leave Atom on the current members list for now until The Offspring themselves confirm that he's officially gone. Alex 01:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, we WILL wait for any OFFICIAL information on this. Until then, Atom will remain in the members list. --Dexter prog 01:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ska Punk?
i'm just gonna discuss it before making any changes. do you really think there's only a little bit of ska in the offspring's music? even though not all songs are ska, lots of songs, in my opinion, have ska influence. the worst hangover ever is definetly ska, and i think what happened to you? has some ska influence also. what do you guys think? Itachi1452 01:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no sources to suggest that The Offspring is a ska punk band. Please follow no original research.++ aviper2k7 ++ 01:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

While I do think that songs such as What Happened To You have ska influences, I would not consider the band to be "ska punk". Jacknife737 19:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

They are a punk band with ska influences. Man lets just forget what genre they are and listen to their music instead :). Foreeye 10:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding citations from Dexterprog
here

A) AllMusic has them listed as Alternative rock/pop primarily. Punk rock is not listed. Punk pop is and that redirects to pop punk.

B)This one didn't show up

C) Yahoo.com mentions "metal-inflected" when describing the bands music... read the punk rock characteristics box. Metal is not there. "Rock 'n' roll - Rockabilly - Garage rock - Frat rock - Pub rock - Glam rock - Protopunk"... are the characteristics... non of which the Offspring have.

The band takes influence from hardcore punk acts if you read this article... that doesn't make mean a band plays the encyclopediac defintion or fits punk rock (try reading its article sometime). - Deathrocker 00:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * a) Read the article, it mentions rock, "metal influenced" but not punk pop

b) the link is listen.to c) Metal influenced: metal is a subgenre of rock, so metal influenced = rock influenced. Besides, "metal influenced" is closer to punk rock than to POP punk.

I have read the article. I repeat if you consider bandas like The Buzzcocks, NOFX, Green day (old) to be punk pop, you may have misunderstood the genre's characteristics. Theese are the main punk rock bandas together with The Ramones.

If you still think your source that lists them as "pop punk" is reliable for this band try taking a look at this articles: NOFX The Buzzcocks Green Day Screeching Weasel The Descendents

Non of them is MAINLY listed as pop punk (the buzzcocks and nofx are not even considered pop punk), so this might let you realise such source is not very trustable. I admit The offspring may be considered as pop punk because of their latest release "splinter", but the are not a pop punk band. --Dexter prog 01:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * "Besides, "metal influenced" is closer to punk rock than to POP punk."

You really don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about do you?.. punk rock was a rebellion AGAINST heavy metal. Understand?... if you put down your baggy dickies pants, and Vans shoes for long enough to read the punk rock article (or books about punk), you'd already know this.

Metal isn't simply "rock" its a distant subgenre.

rock 'n' roll -> blues rock -> hard rock -> heavy metal.

Punk isn't next in-line in that sequence because it was acting against that movement.

The Buzzcocks are considered a form of pop punk retroactively under the alternative use of it. As for NOFX elements of their music includes pop punk... and they were one of the main influences on those bands from the 90s and early 2000s... especially with the skate punk association. - Deathrocker 08:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

If they can't even spell POPular-PUNK I would rather go with my own opinion Foreeye 10:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Skate Punk
Please remove skate punk.I can't find anywhere calling the Offspring skate punk.They are pop-punk / punk and alt.rock if you want something forth leave pop rock (Preety Fly,Original Prankster).NOFX and Face To Face are skate punk not those punk-poppers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Punkpop101 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

The band is mentioned in the skate punk article, and in Al Spicer's book "The Rough Guide to Punk, they are mentioned in the section dedicated to skate punk. Jacknife737 19:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I will remove the "skate punk" genre until someone cites sources from external independent sites. --Dexter prog 20:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I provided a source Jacknife737 22:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

HDS- why dont you just put down Rock and Punk, kus thats really all they fucking are. you guys are morons.

Alternative Rock
Does anyone else feel this should be removed from the genres? As of now it's the only genre that isn't sourced.Hoponpop69 21:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Culb ME CD ?!?!?!
I see no mention of it. or the Club ME Tshirt.....

The CD has 3 Exclusive songs 1. "I Got A Right" (Iggy Pop cover) 2. "D.U.I." 3. "Smash It Up" (The Damned cover) all where songs that where offpring songs that where on various over soundtracks and stuff..

Also no mention of the LIVE at NYC or I Choose Import Single.... both had live version of many songs... among other things —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Therealmrorboto (talk • contribs) 15:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

Sputnikmusic?
The Sputnikmusic link doesn't work. It might be temporary, but with a blank reference I think we should wait until the website works before re-adding. After all, there are two sources to it anyways.++ aviper2k7 ++ 04:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is useless to remove it, knowing the site will be back soon. --Dexter prog 15:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually looking at the source, the info of the band is a Wiki. Reliable sources says not to use wikis as a source. I'm starting to think you want the site up there for advertising purposes, which is spam. There are already two reliable sources, and I don't think this source should be used. Two sources is enough.++ aviper2k7 ++ 21:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * no, I am not spamming. The site is realiable, it has an article in wikipedia (sputnikmusic) and here you have the facts why it was not deleted: readding the site. it is realiable sputnikimusic. See discussion and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sputnikmusic)

''The result of the debate was keep. Physchim62 (talk&middot;RfA) 20:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Sputnikmusic
Non-notable website. Part of a group of four non-notable webpages. -Nameneko 05:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Keep Returns a lot of Google hits and I had heard of it before this discussion. Impaciente 08:17, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Look at the forum, it has more than 85,000 registered users. This website definetely is notable. -- SoothingR 09:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Although the article makes no claim to notability, I believe it could.  Someone needs to add such data with cited sources to the article, however.  --A D Monroe III 18:50, 23 October 2005 (UTC)''

--Dexter prog 23:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * aviper2k7 is correct. Sputnikmusic is apparently notable, since it survived the AfD, but that does not mean it can be used as a reliable source.  Please see WP:RS, particularly the part about "Bulletin boards, wikis and posts to Usenet". -SpuriousQ 23:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I see... I had misunderstood that part (bulletin boards...) and didn't realised it meant "no reviews written by users". I guess you are right, then. --Dexter prog 00:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Picture
Call me Captain Obvious, the current picture on this article was taken in 1995. That's twelve years ago (and besides, ron left the band five years ago). Can we have an up-to-date picture of the Offspring? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.248.74.136 (talk)


 * Someone has to take one. The current image does not fit Fair Use criteria- a duplicate can be obtained as they are still an active band.++ aviper2k7 ++ 22:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Cannot edit?
A part of this page reads "the offspring sucks!", but I can't seem to edit it out anywhere for some reason. It's not shown in any of the edit sections. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.150.87.32 (talk) 00:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC).

Genres sourced to allmusic guide
The site alos lists the band as post-grunge and alternative pop. So if we leave up the sources for this we should add these other genres. Clearly to me at least, the band does not fall into these genres.Hoponpop69 04:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Genres
Pop punk should be removed and replaced by Metal, Grunge, Post Punk. The Offspring have many grunge songs on Ignition and Americana. Aswell as metal on Americana such as Pay The Man and stuff like L.A.P.D. Post Punk is their main genre not Skate Punk or Alt.Pop or rock


 * Just because bands that have punk-related genres are considered grunge, doesn't mean they actually use this genre and The Offspring is not even from Seattle, Washington like Alice in Chains, Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, who are also grunge bands. Alex 14:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

That proposal is dumb on so many levels.Hoponpop69 22:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The Offspring are not Grunge. They are Post-grunge... they are categorized as that on their allmusic guide page too. so if there is any genre changes they should be Alternative Rock and Post-grunge added. (Tigerghost 18:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC))


 * See the above section for why all music guide shouldn't be considered a good source.Hoponpop69 04:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Splinter Image
If you look in the text below the Splinter image, you can read "The album cover for Splinter (2003), the first Offspring album not featuring the "classic" Smash-line up." That makes no sence because the line-up has been the same since the first album (I'm looking the back cover of their first album right now). If no one has nothing to say about it I'll change the text to "The album cover for Splinter (2003), the first Offspring album not featuring the "classic" line up."80.28.202.37 11:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

SPAIN
HI IM FROM SPAIN. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THE OFFSPRING HAS EVER BEEN IN SPAIN.OTHER QUESTION. WHICH ARE AMERCIAN BANDS AS THE OFFSPRING?I KNOW NO USE FOR A NAME AND TEN FOOT POLE.THANK YOU AND IM SORRY FOR MY QUEEN ENGLISH.

To answer your questions, yes i'm quite sure that The Offspring have toured in Spain during some point in their careers, they have at least played Madrid. For your second question i would recomend Social Distortion, Rancid and Nofx Jacknife737 01:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I know a great site that sells replacement caps lock buttons Foreeye 10:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Experimental Music?
Alright, I've seen a lot of debate on The Offspring being ska, grunge, alternative, and blahddy blahddy, blah. My suggestion is to kill their alternative rock label and put down Experimental Rock, becuase they seem to experiment with a lot of different sounds, instruments, styles, structures, and subjects. I believe this is an improvement because it takes away that idea of them being this or that. Agree?
 * Absolutely disagree. Replacing disputed genres with a weak-as-a-kitten stop-gap is never the answer.  Dei z  talk 03:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Album covers
Album covers are fine on Wikipedia, but they should only be "solely to illustrate the audio recording in question," and the way they were used in this article was to decorate it, which fails the fair use criteria. Images are great, but we can get free images that contribute to the article, rather than trying to populate it with unneeded fair use images.++ aviper2k7 ++ 15:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

genre
my GOD if people have such problems with whatever genre the offspring are, why dont you get dex's email somewhere and ask him? or put one of their d's into your computer, they usually list genre....Inuxshinedown 01:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We're going by what's verifiable and sourced.++ aviper2k7 ++ 02:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Alternative Rock
It even says on wikipedia they are one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alternative_rock_artists#O

if i cant source wikipedia your pretty much saying that you cant trust wikipedia and that its unreliable. So in that case whats the point of even making this page if noone can even trust it and its unreliable.
 * Wikipedia is only as reliable as its sources.++ aviper2k7 ++ 03:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

So watever the source that put them in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alternative_rock_artists#O is the one that i'm using
 * There IS no source for that. Two wrongs do not make a right.++ aviper2k7 ++ 20:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Influences
I'm pretty sure I've heard (on the radio) Dexter Holland cite Bad Religion and Agent Orange as influences. Do I need to find an internet source backing this up before I can add it? Tonksville 01:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, but Europunk.net is the only source I could find about The Offspring being influenced by Bad Religion, but the source mentions that they are influenced by later punk bands, including Good Charlotte, My Chemical Romance and Green Day. So, I'm not sure whether we should use Europunk.net as a reliable source. Alex 02:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it would be considered unreliable considering all those bands besides Green Day, were formed well after The Offspring were already an established act. Not to mention I've never heard band members mention them as influences.Hoponpop69 04:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the Offspring was originally signed on Bad Religion's own label. Does that qualify as influence? Foreeye 10:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

What do you think of this timeline
Here. I feel the current one is really uneven in terms of how much time is represented in each period.Hoponpop69 04:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I prefer the current version Jacknife737 21:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The current one is fine, its timeline is quite similar to the Bad Religion and Social Distortion articles. Alex 21:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Jason "Blackball" McLean, he says Mota too on the Mota song on Ixnay On The Hombre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MATKO5000 (talk • contribs) 12:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

come out and play
Whose that guy that says "you got to keep 'em separated?"--Kingforaday1620 22:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, but I know that wasn't Dexter. Alex 23:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Same guy who says uno dos tres quattro cinco cinco seis in pretty fly and is the boyfriend in Why Don't You Get A Job maybe? --Foreeye 11:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't think of his name at the moment, but he was a friend of the band, Dexter discusses this during the commentary on the The Offspring Complete Music Video Collection Jacknife737 20:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Better Image
The image in the infobox is not really good, I would like an image where you can actually see them --85.228.201.117 14:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well go to Japan and take a picture of them on tour. That's our only option until they start touring again and someone might be able to take a decent picture.++ aviper2k7 ++ 17:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I will take one for you when they come to sweden next time --Foreeye 19:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

If you agree a source listing The Offspring as post-grunge and alternative pop is a bad source...
Please speak out here. Lots of people are listing this site as a source for various articles, but time and time again it gives invalid information. Hoponpop69 18:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

A larger conversation on this has opened up here. Please weigh in to make sure wikipedia does not get filled with false information.Hoponpop69 03:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)