Talk:The Origin of Birds

The book online
http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/temp-2010-09-01/xJCDkbzDhfBDeamiwErwAnstjcbpgvuaEatkIvDhDlkgzjtokcCGdafGhqef/heilmann1926b.pdf FunkMonk (talk) 12:13, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Very cool that this has made its way online. However, I don't think we can link to it in the article (as a "further reading" entry or anything else) because it was published after 1923, and to my knowledge isn't yet in the public domain. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Only problem would be if we hosted it here (which we won't), but simply linking to an external source isn't an issue. FunkMonk (talk) 19:40, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought so also at first, but looking into it more I came across this: "However, if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work." Based on that, I'm not sure it would be a good idea. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 22:19, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Bummer... FunkMonk (talk) 18:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

To be pointed out?
I didn't read this book... but just in case: 20 years before its publication (thus, in 1906) was published in the magazine Knowledge and Scientific News (London) an article titled the same ("The Origin of Birds"), by Englishman William Plane Pycraft. First of all I just discovered, in Commons, the Franz Nopcsa vision of "Pro-Avis" (1907), which lead me to discover the existence of the 1906 Pycroft article, and also that the term "Pro-Avis", in fact, was not coined by Heilmann but by Pycroft (in 1906, then). Just see the article Proavis, which user MWAC and I have recently created. Kintaro (talk) 23:04, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Huxley's article doesn't clearly propose an ancestor-descendent relationship between dinosaurs and birds.
He emphasizes parallel evolution between later therapods and birds, which leaves open common descent from triassic dinosaurs or, like Heilman would propose, from other archosaurs. See especially pp. 74-75. 96.255.9.115 (talk) 21:31, 31 December 2016 (UTC)